Monday, 20 October 2008

(Whoops I missed this one !)
This is a b****y disgrace to any organisation pretending to be 
democratic.

It shows the degraded characters who rule us from Brussels

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SUNDAY TIMES   19.10.08
EU plans to force second Lisbon vote
French politicians hatch plan to isolate Ireland and force second 
treaty poll
Richard Oakley

PLANS to isolate Ireland and force the country to hold a second 
referendum on the Lisbon treaty by next March were discussed at a 
European Union meeting 10 days ago.

Minutes of the event, and of a separate dinner with the French 
minister for European affairs, record how key French politicians and 
other MEPs said that Ireland should be put in an "untenable position" 
by pressing Poland and the Czech Republic to ratify the treaty by 
December.


The minutes were made available by a high-level source who attended 
both events. They tally with publicly available EU minutes but 
include direct quotes rather than the diplomatic language of the 
official record.

The meeting and dinner heard how Ireland's "intellectual mediocrity 
and lack of political courage" led to the rejection of the Lisbon 
treaty and included discussions of how to "cuddle and pamper" the 
Irish voter ahead of a new vote while at the same time "making 
pressures on them".

The meeting between the European parliament's committee for 
constitutional affairs and the European affairs committees of both 
the French senate and national assembly was held in Paris on October 
9. It was followed by a dinner with Jean-Pierre Jouyet, the French 
equivalent of Dick Roche, Ireland's EU affairs minister.

Jacques Delors, former European commission president,warned that 
Europe should be wary of conceding to Ireland on Lisbon and 
criticised the Irish government for "going solo" on the bank crisis.

The official minutes record that members of the delegation discussed 
"the necessity of ratifying the Lisbon treaty as soon as possible" 
and an anxiety that a second referendum should be held before the 
European elections next June. The delegates were concerned that the 
elections could become a proxy referendum on the treaty.

Pierre Lequiller, a French politician, said it was necessary to get 
the Czech Republic and Poland to ratify the treaty quickly as this 
would "modify the situation of Ireland". Alain Lamassoure, a French 
MEP, said the Irish people should be made aware of the "consequences" 
of a second refusal.

Delors, according to the minutes, expressed concerns "about the price 
that Europe was willing to pay in order to obtain a ratification of 
the treaty by the Irish". He said: "The Irish have since gone solo in 
the financial crisis. They must understand, however, that to be a 
member of the EU also includes certain demands."

The minutes from the Sunday Times source show French politicians want 
Ireland to believe the EU will respect the country's sovereignty and 
demands, while telling the Irish people how the other 495m Europeans 
[Who have never been asked except in France and Holland where they 
said NO!   -cs] are watching them and "will be really angry"  [lots 
will be delighted -cs]  if the answer is no again.

The meeting discussed the option of ensuring the next referendum in 
Ireland should involve a question to which the Irish could not say no.
This, according to German and French politicians, could be achieved 
by giving Ireland guarantees of sovereignty over issues such as 
neutrality and abortion.

It would then ask the Irish electorate to vote on whether or not the 
country's membership of the EU was compatible with the constitution.