Saturday, 8 August 2009

Harold
Forwarded to me by a friend and forwarded to you for your interest. 
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  Look at these pictures and ask yourself 

"'Why has nobody told us about these awful goings on?"  

I can just hear the faint answer in the distance but getting gradually louder with each passing day, 

This is not a virtual reality show. You can't turn it off.

 http://media2.terrorismawareness.org/files/MPAC.swf 

WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED 

WE SHOULD BE DEMANDING TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHY

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Response:

Hi Harry, From, what l have seen, i dont seem to have a problem with what this author is positing. Australia and New Zealand are far closer to these countries than you guys are.
 
I was once  told that the Muslims, that really got into their religion, went very radical, whilst those who didnt, stayed rather  peaceful. I think there is a point here. I also believe  there is a spiritual element to all this as well, that locks people in a mindset.
 
Getting back to an earlier point that was made and l am no specialist on this, l think the media, tends to shy away from stuff like this, so that they dont alarm and upset people. There is also the fact that not all Muslims are like this. There are some very peace loving Muslims out there.
 
By the way, "Allahu Akbar" means "god is greater" its normally means "god is great" , this is against the GOd of the Bible. They are saying or the phrase is that there god is greater than the God of the bible.
 
Harry, the other thing that this clip doesnt address, which is a point l think should have been made in the early parts of this is that in the areas of the world where Muslims outnumber Christians and non Muslims, the persecution is greater. Nations which have larger Muslim populations, have all these kind of problems. The other thing is that in larger Muslim nations, there is a tendency to institute sharia law. Also the next thing that also needs to looked at is that Islam is a Total Worldview system. Within this total world view system, all these manisfestations come out of. 
We also need to be careful of where Muslim people increase in population above 2% of the total population.
 
Harry, you really need to start informing yourself a bit better on this issue. Go buy some of Chuck Missler's Briefing material, he is probably one of the better ones around and you cant really go wrong with him.
 
When Chuck Missler spoke in Wellington, at my church, this is where he  spoke at the Muslim Population dynamics thing here.
 
 
One thing that you need to get and view is Chuck Missler presentation on his Strategic Trends 2009, which addresses this very nicely. http://www.khouse.org/strategic_trends/islam/
 
 
Chuck Missler Strategic Perspectives 2008 1 of 4
 
Chuck Missler Strategic Perspectives 2008 2 of 4
 
Chuck Missler Strategic Perspectives 2008 3 of 4
 
Chuck Missler Strategic Perspectives 2008 4 of 4
 
Strategic Trends In 2009 - Jan Markell / Chuck Missler
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
"RED SKY" CHUCK MISSLER~PROPHECY

Steel On Steel Persecution Update

August 7, 2009

Edited by:  Donald August McElvaney, www.missionbarnabas.org

 

Top Stories:

1.   Christians Increasingly Vulnerable in ‘Secular’ Nepal

2.  Violence Again Erupts in Upper Egypt over Quest for Worship Site

3.  Christians Burned to Death in Islamist Attacks in Pakistan

4.  Christians Dispute Police Theory on Priest’s Death in India

5.  Police in Bangladesh Torture Pastor, Two Others

6.  Pakistani Christians Strive for Justice following Onslaught

7.  Turkish Christian Held Hostage at Knife Point

 

1.  Christians Increasingly Vulnerable in ‘Secular’ Nepal

As law and order breaks down, Christians come under attack.

By Sudeshna Sarkar

KATHMANDU, Nepal, July 30 (Compass Direct News) – Three years after a pro-democracy movement led to the proclamation of Nepal as a secular state, some Christians say they are in greater peril than ever. They are now being targeted by militant Hindu organizations that blame the church for the abolition of Hinduism as the state religion and the end of monarchy. Since May, when the Nepal Defense Army (NDA) – which claims to have links with militant Hindu organizations – struck one of Kathmandu valley’s oldest and biggest churches, the group has threatened to drive all Christians from the country. And now a group claiming to be the parent organization of the NDA has warned that on Aug. 10 it will start a “Save the Hindu nation” movement. Last month, the Rev. Pius Perumana, a senior Catholic priest, received a phone call. “The caller said he was in charge of the NDA in Kathmandu valley,” said Perumana of Ishalaya Catholic Church, located in Godavari on the southern rim of the capital. “However, I recognized the voice. It was Ram Prasad Mainali himself.” Perumana said he has received at least five threatening calls from the Hindu supremist ordering him to close all Christian organizations and leave Nepal, he said. The NDA leader has also been calling Protestant pastors, demanding money. In districts outside Kathmandu, where security is weak, some pastors are said to have paid up out of fear.

 

2.  Violence Again Erupts in Upper Egypt over Quest for Worship Site

Two Copts wounded in Minya province over plan to use building as church venue.

By Roger Elliott

ISTANBUL July 31 (Compass Direct News) – The recent eruption of sectarian violence in Egypt’s Minya province continued last week as local Christians again faced harsh reprisals from Muslims for trying to convert a building into a worship facility. On July 24 security forces in the village of Hawasliya were able to prevent a crowd of Muslims, which numbered in the hundreds according to some reports, from torching the building. But the mob succeeded in setting fire to four neighboring stables, killing sheep and cows belonging to Copts. During the melee two Copts, including an elderly woman, were wounded. Both received hospital treatment. “When Muslims see that Christians are making a church, they get upset about it,” said Teresa Kamal, a local journalist. “Why are people full of hate like this? Something has happened to radicalize the people.”

 

3.  Christians Burned to Death in Islamist Attacks in Pakistan

14 believers reportedly killed; more than 100 homes burned in Gojra town, Korian village.

By Brian Sharma

GOJRA, Pakistan, August 1 (Compass Direct News) – Islamic extremists today set ablaze more than 50 houses and a church in this town in northeastern Pakistan following an accusation of “blasphemy” of the Quran, leaving at least 14 Christians dead, sources said. The dead include women and children, with several other burn victims unable to reach hospitals for medical care, according to the Centre for Legal Aid Assistance and Settlement. The attack came amid a protest by thousands of Muslim Islamists – including members of banned militant groups – that resulted in another six people dying when participants shot at police and officers responded with tear gas and gunfire. The same rumor of desecration of the Quran that led to today’s massive protest and attack in Gojra, 50 kilometers (31 miles) from Faisalabad, also prompted an arson assault on Thursday (July 30) by Islamic extremists on the village of Korian, seven miles from Gojra, that gutted 60 houses. Punjab Minister for Law Rana Sanaullah reportedly said an initial investigation of allegations of the Quran being blasphemed indicated “there has not been any incident of desecration.”

 

4.  Christians Dispute Police Theory on Priest’s Death in India

Hindu extremists suspected in area known for anti-Christian violence.

By Vishal Arora

NEW DELHI, August 3 (Compass Direct News) – The suspicious death of a 39-year-old priest in the southern state of Karnataka has further terrified Christians living in an area known for anti-Christian violence, but police indicate that they doubt it is a homicide. The body of the parish priest of St. Mary’s Church, the Rev. James Mukalel, was found lying near his motorbike in Belthangady sub-district near Mangalore early last Thursday (July 30). The Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India (CBCI) maintains that Mukalel, from Belthangady’s Syro-Malabar diocese in Karnataka’s Dakshina Kannada district, was killed. Officials at the CBCI said the death of the priest appeared to be suspicious and unnatural, as his body was found nearly naked lying on a remote roadside near the motorbike he had been riding. Superintendent of Police of Dakshina Kannada district Subramayeshwar Rao told Compass that police had only two theories on the cause of death. “Although I have not seen the autopsy report, I learned from the forensic surgeons that Fr. James Mukalel died of poisoning – most likely naturally because of food poisoning, or he was poisoned.”

 

5.  Police in Bangladesh Torture Pastor, Two Others

Local Muslim leaders prompt officers to arrest, abuse evangelistic team.

By Aenon Shalom

DHAKA, Bangladesh, August 4 (Compass Direct News) – At the urging of local Muslim leaders, police in western Bangladesh have tortured a pastor and two other Christians for legally proclaiming Christ. Habibur Rahman, 45, pastor of Boalia Spiritual Church (Boalia Ruhani Jamat) in Boalia in Cuadanga district, 220 kilometers (136 miles) west of Dhaka, said he was about to meet with 11 others for a monthly meeting on evangelism at 8 p.m. on June 8 when local police stormed in and seized him and Zahid Hassan, 25, and a 40-year-old Christian identified only as Fazlur. Police blindfolded them and took them to Shamvunagar police camp. “While beating us, police told us there will be no Christian in this area,” the pastor said. “Police hurt our hands, lips, thighs and faces with burning cigarettes. They beat me in the joints of my limbs with a wooden club. They beat us for one hour, and I became senseless at some point.”

 

6.  Pakistani Christians Strive for Justice following Onslaught

Local security officials, Muslim clerics named in police complaint.

By Brian Sharma

 

GOJRA, Pakistan, Aug. 5 (Compass Direct News) – A standoff here between Pakistani officials and Christians protesting the government’s reluctance to prosecute a murderous Islamic assault ended with officials finally consenting to file a complaint against key Muslim clerics and security officers. On Sunday (Aug. 2) hundreds of Christians demonstrated in Gojra, where the previous day rampaging Muslims – acting on an unsubstantiated rumor of “blasphemy” of the Quran and whipped into a frenzy by local imams and banned terrorist groups – killed at least seven Christians, looted more than 100 houses and set fire to 50 of them. At least 19 people were injured in the melee. In protest of government reluctance to name two security officers for negligence in connection with Christians burned to death, demonstrators on Sunday refused to quickly bury the dead as officials requested. Believing the government was stalling in registering a complaint, demonstrators put the coffins with the charred remains on railroad tracks for three hours before officials agreed to include District Police Officer Inkasar Khan and District Coordinating Officer Sikandar Baloch in the complaint filed against more than 20 named and 800 unnamed people. The two officers are accused of negligence in allowing the Islamic violence to erupt. Sources told Compass they have not been suspended, terminated or arrested.

 

7.  Turkish Christian Held Hostage at Knife Point

Young Muslim threatens to slit throat of convert; police arrest him after short standoff.

By Damaris Kremida

ISTANBUL, August 6 (Compass Direct News) – In a bizarre show of Turkish nationalism, a young Muslim here took a Christian Turk at knife point, draped his head with the national flag and threatened to slit the throat of the “missionary dog” in broad daylight earlier this week. Yasin Karasu, 24, held Ismail Aydın, 35, hostage for less than half an hour on Monday (Aug. 3) in a busy district on the Asian side of Istanbul in front of passersby and police who promptly came to the scene. Karasu threatened to slit Aydin’s throat if anyone came near him and commanded those watching to give him a Turkish flag. Within minutes, Aydin told Compass, bystanders produced two flags. Karasu, who has known Aydin for a year, wrapped the larger of the two flags around Aydin’s head, making it difficult for him to breathe in the heat. “Do you see this missionary dog?” he yelled at the crowd. “He is handing out gospels and he is breaking up the country!” Police managed to convince Karasu to put down the knife and release Aydin, telling him that if he killed the convert Turkey would be ridiculed around the world, and that as a last resort they were authorized to shoot to kill him.

 

Harry, Christian persection of Christians goes on quite a bit, despite a secular media

Voice of the Martyrs is one of them
 
 
Open doors with Brother Andrew is another http://www.opendoorsuk.org/

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This one is probably a really good  one.