Bilderberg Meetings
The 58th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Sitges, Spain 3 - 6 June 2010. The Conference will deal mainly with Financial Reform, Security, Cyber Technology, Energy, Pakistan, Afghanistan, World Food Problem, Global Cooling, Social Networking, Medical Science, EU-US relations. Approximately 130 participants will attend of whom about two-thirds come from Europe and the balance from North America. About one-third is from government and politics, and two-thirds are from finance, industry, labor, education, and communications. The meeting is private in order to encourage frank and open discussion.
Bilderberg takes its name from the hotel in Holland, where the first meeting took place in May 1954. That pioneering meeting grew out of the concern expressed by leading citizens on both sides of the Atlantic that Western Europe and North America were not working together as closely as they should on common problems of critical importance. It was felt that regular, off-the-record discussions would help create a better understanding of the complex forces and major trends affecting Western nations in the difficult post-war period. The Cold War has now ended. But in practically all respects there are more, not fewer, common problems - from trade to jobs, from monetary policy to investment, from ecological challenges to the task of promoting international security. It is hard to think of any major issue in either Europe or North America whose unilateral solution would not have repercussions for the other.
Thus the concept of a European-American forum has not been overtaken by time. The dialogue between these two regions is still - even increasingly - critical.
What is unique about Bilderberg as a forum is the broad cross-section of leading citizens that are assembled for nearly three days of informal and off-the-record discussion about topics of current concern especially in the fields of foreign affairs and the international economy; the strong feeling among participants that in view of the differing attitudes and experiences of the Western nations, there remains a clear need to further develop an understanding in which these concerns can be accommodated; the privacy of the meetings, which has no purpose other than to allow participants to speak their minds openly and freely.
In short, Bilderberg is a small, flexible, informal and off-the-record international forum in which different viewpoints can be expressed and mutual understanding enhanced.
Bilderberg's only activity is its annual Conference. At the meetings, no resolutions are proposed, no votes taken, and no policy statements issued. Since 1954, fifty-seven conferences have been held. The names of the participants are made available to the press. Participants are chosen for their experience, their knowledge, and their standing; all participants attend Bilderberg in a private and not an official capacity.
There will be no press conference. A list of participants is appended.
3 June 2010
Bilderberg Meetings
Sitges, Spain 3-6 June 2010
Final List of Participants
BEL | Davignon, Etienne | Vice Chairman, Suez-Tractebel |
DEU | Ackermann, Josef | Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG |
GBR | Agius, Marcus | Chairman, Barclays Bank PLC |
ESP | Alierta, César | Chairman and CEO, Telefónica |
INT | Almunia, Joaquín | Commissioner, European Commission |
USA | Altman, Roger C. | Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc. |
USA | Arrison, Sonia | Author and policy analyst |
SWE | Bäckström, Urban | Director General, Confederation of Swedish Enterprise |
PRT | Balsemão, Francisco Pinto | Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister |
ITA | Bernabè, Franco | CEO, Telecom Italia S.p.A. |
SWE | Bildt, Carl | Minister of Foreign Affairs |
FIN | Blåfield, Antti | Senior Editorial Writer, Helsingin Sanomat |
ESP | Botín, Ana P. | Executive Chairman, Banesto |
NOR | Brandtzæg, Svein Richard | CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA |
AUT | Bronner, Oscar | Publisher and Editor, Der Standard |
TUR | Çakir, Ruşen | Journalist |
CAN | Campbell, Gordon | Premier of British Columbia |
ESP | Carvajal Urquijo, Jaime | Managing Director, Advent International |
FRA | Castries, Henri de | Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, AXA |
ESP | Cebrián, Juan Luis | CEO, PRISA |
ESP | Cisneros, Gustavo A. | Chairman and CEO, Cisneros Group of Companies |
CAN | Clark, W. Edmund | President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group |
USA | Collins, Timothy C. | Senior Managing Director and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC |
ITA | Conti, Fulvio | CEO and General Manager, Enel SpA |
GRC | David, George A. | Chairman, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A. |
DNK | Eldrup, Anders | CEO, DONG Energy |
ITA | Elkann, John | Chairman, Fiat S.p.A. |
DEU | Enders, Thomas | CEO, Airbus SAS |
ESP | Entrecanales, José M. | Chairman, Acciona |
DNK | Federspiel, Ulrik | Vice President Global Affairs, Haldor Topsøe A/S |
USA | Feldstein, Martin S. | George F. Baker Professor of Economics, Harvard University |
USA | Ferguson, Niall | Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University |
AUT | Fischer, Heinz | Federal President |
IRL | Gallagher, Paul | Attorney General |
USA | Gates, William H. | Co-chair, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and Chairman, Microsoft Corporation |
USA | Gordon, Philip H. | Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs |
USA | Graham, Donald E. | Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company |
INT | Gucht, Karel de | Commissioner, European Commission |
TUR | Gürel, Z. Damla | Special Adviser to the President on EU Affairs |
NLD | Halberstadt, Victor | Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings |
USA | Holbrooke, Richard C. | Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan |
NLD | Hommen, Jan H.M. | Chairman, ING Group |
USA | Hormats, Robert D. | Under Secretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs |
BEL | Huyghebaert, Jan | Chairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group |
USA | Johnson, James A. | Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC |
FIN | Katainen, Jyrki | Minister of Finance |
USA | Keane, John M. | Senior Partner, SCP Partners |
GBR | Kerr, John | Member, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc. |
USA | Kissinger, Henry A. | Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc. |
USA | Kleinfeld, Klaus | Chairman and CEO, Alcoa |
TUR | Koç, Mustafa V. | Chairman, Koç Holding A.Ş. |
USA | Kravis, Henry R. | Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. |
USA | Kravis, Marie-Josée | Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc. |
INT | Kroes, Neelie | Commissioner, European Commission |
USA | Lander, Eric S. | President and Director, Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT |
FRA | Lauvergeon, Anne | Chairman of the Executive Board, AREVA |
ESP | León Gross, Bernardino | Secretary General, Office of the Prime Minister |
DEU | Löscher, Peter | Chairman of the Board of Management, Siemens AG |
NOR | Magnus, Birger | Chairman, Storebrand ASA |
CAN | Mansbridge, Peter | Chief Correspondent, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation |
USA | Mathews, Jessica T. | President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace |
CAN | McKenna, Frank | Deputy Chair, TD Bank Financial Group |
GBR | Micklethwait, John | Editor-in-Chief, The Economist |
FRA | Montbrial, Thierry de | President, French Institute for International Relations |
ITA | Monti, Mario | President, Universita Commerciale Luigi Bocconi |
INT | Moyo, Dambisa F. | Economist and Author |
USA | Mundie, Craig J. | Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation |
NOR | Myklebust, Egil | Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, Norsk Hydro ASA |
USA | Naím, Moisés | Editor-in-Chief, Foreign Policy |
NLD | Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the | |
ESP | Nin Génova, Juan María | President and CEO, La Caixa |
DNK | Nyrup Rasmussen, Poul | Former Prime Minister |
GBR | Oldham, John | National Clinical Lead for Quality and Productivity |
FIN | Ollila, Jorma | Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc |
USA | Orszag, Peter R. | Director, Office of Management and Budget |
TUR | Özilhan, Tuncay | Chairman, Anadolu Group |
ITA | Padoa-Schioppa, Tommaso | Former Minister of Finance; President of Notre Europe |
GRC | Papaconstantinou, George | Minister of Finance |
USA | Parker, Sean | Managing Partner, Founders Fund |
USA | Pearl, Frank H. | Chairman and CEO, Perseus, LLC |
USA | Perle, Richard N. | Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research |
ESP | Polanco, Ignacio | Chairman, Grupo PRISA |
CAN | Prichard, J. Robert S. | President and CEO, Metrolinx |
FRA | Ramanantsoa, Bernard | Dean, HEC Paris Group |
PRT | Rangel, Paulo | Member, European Parliament |
CAN | Reisman, Heather M. | Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc. |
SWE | Renström, Lars | President and CEO, Alfa Laval |
NLD | Rinnooy Kan, Alexander H.G. | Chairman, Social and Economic Council of the Netherlands (SER) |
ITA | Rocca, Gianfelice | Chairman, Techint |
ESP | Rodriguez Inciarte, Matías | Executive Vice Chairman, Grupo Santander |
USA | Rose, Charlie | Producer, Rose Communications |
USA | Rubin, Robert E. | Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury |
TUR | Sabanci Dinçer, Suzan | Chairman, Akbank |
ITA | Scaroni, Paolo | CEO, Eni S.p.A. |
USA | Schmidt, Eric | CEO and Chairman of the Board, Google |
AUT | Scholten, Rudolf | Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG |
DEU | Scholz, Olaf | Vice Chairman, SPD |
INT | Sheeran, Josette | Executive Director, United Nations World Food Programme |
INT | Solana Madariaga, Javier | Former Secretary General, Council of the European Union |
ESP | Spain, H.M. the Queen of | |
USA | Steinberg, James B. | Deputy Secretary of State |
INT | Stigson, Björn | President, World Business Council for Sustainable Development |
USA | Summers, Lawrence H. | Director, National Economic Council |
IRL | Sutherland, Peter D. | Chairman, Goldman Sachs International |
GBR | Taylor, J. Martin | Chairman, Syngenta International AG |
PRT | Teixeira dos Santos, Fernando | Minister of State and Finance |
USA | Thiel, Peter A. | President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC |
GRC | Tsoukalis, Loukas | President, ELIAMEP |
INT | Tumpel-Gugerell, Gertrude | Member of the Executive Board, European Central Bank |
USA | Varney, Christine A. | Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust |
CHE | Vasella, Daniel L. | Chairman, Novartis AG |
USA | Volcker, Paul A. | Chairman, Economic Recovery Advisory Board |
CHE | Voser, Peter | CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc |
FIN | Wahlroos, Björn | Chairman, Sampo plc |
CHE | Waldvogel, Francis A. | Chairman, Novartis Venture Fund |
SWE | Wallenberg, Jacob | Chairman, Investor AB |
NLD | Wellink, Nout | President, De Nederlandsche Bank |
USA | West, F.J. Bing | Author |
GBR | Williams, Shirley | Member, House of Lords |
USA | Wolfensohn, James D. | Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC |
ESP | Zapatero, José Luis Rodríguez | Prime Minister |
DEU | Zetsche, Dieter | Chairman, Daimler AG |
INT | Zoellick, Robert B. | President, The World Bank Group |
Rapporteurs
GBR | Bredow, Vendeline von | Business Correspondent, The Economist |
GBR | Wooldridge, Adrian D. | Business Correspondent, The Economist |
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Bilderberg Meetings
Sitges, Spain 3-6 June 2010
Final List of Participants
Honorary Chairman
BELDavignon, EtienneVice Chairman, Suez-Tractebel
DEU Ackermann, JosefChairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG
GBR Agius, MarcusChairman, Barclays Bank PLC
ESP Alierta, César Chairman and CEO, Telefónica
INT Almunia, JoaquínCommissioner, European Commission
USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.
USA Arrison, SoniaAuthor and policy analyst
SWE Bäckström, UrbanDirector General, Confederation of Swedish Enterprise
PRT Balsemão, Francisco Pinto Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister
ITA Bernabè, FrancoCEO, Telecom Italia S.p.A.
SWE Bildt, CarlMinister of Foreign Affairs
FIN Blåfield, AnttiSenior Editorial Writer, Helsingin Sanomat
ESP Botín, Ana P. Executive Chairman, Banesto
NOR Brandtzæg, Svein Richard CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA
AUT Bronner, OscarPublisher and Editor, Der Standard
TUR Çakir, Ru en Journalist
CAN Campbell, Gordon Premier of British Columbia
ESP Carvajal Urquijo, Jaime Managing Director, Advent International
FRA Castries, Henri de Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, AXA
ESP Cebrián, Juan LuisCEO, PRISA
ESP Cisneros, Gustavo A.Chairman and CEO, Cisneros Group of Companies
CAN Clark, W. Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group
USA Collins, Timothy C. Senior Managing Director and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
ITA Conti, FulvioCEO and General Manager, Enel SpA
GRC David, George A. Chairman, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A.
DNK Eldrup, Anders CEO, DONG Energy
ITA Elkann, John Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.
DEU Enders, Thomas CEO, Airbus SAS
ESP Entrecanales, José M.Chairman, Acciona
DNK Federspiel, UlrikVice President Global Affairs, Haldor Topsøe A/S
USA Feldstein, Martin S.George F. Baker Professor of Economics, Harvard University
USA Ferguson, Niall Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University
AUT Fischer, HeinzFederal President
IRL Gallagher, PaulAttorney General
USA Gates, William H. Co-chair, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and Chairman, Microsoft Corporation
USA Gordon, Philip H.Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs
USA Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company
INT Gucht, Karel deCommissioner, European Commission
TUR Gürel, Z. Damla Special Adviser to the President on EU Affairs
NLD Halberstadt, VictorProfessor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
USA Holbrooke, Richard C. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan
NLD Hommen, Jan H.M.Chairman, ING Group
USA Hormats, Robert D.Under Secretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs
BEL Huyghebaert, JanChairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group
USA Johnson, James A.Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
FIN Katainen, Jyrki Minister of Finance
USA Keane, John M. Senior Partner, SCP Partners
GBR Kerr, John Member, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc.
USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
USA Kleinfeld, KlausChairman and CEO, Alcoa
TUR Koç, Mustafa V. Chairman, Koç Holding A. .
USA Kravis, Henry R. Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc.
INT Kroes, NeelieCommissioner, European Commission
USA Lander, Eric S.President and Director, Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT
FRA Lauvergeon, Anne Chairman of the Executive Board, AREVA
ESP León Gross, Bernardino Secretary General, Office of the Prime Minister
DEU Löscher, PeterChairman of the Board of Management, Siemens AG
NOR Magnus, BirgerChairman, Storebrand ASA
CAN Mansbridge, PeterChief Correspondent, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
USA Mathews, Jessica T.President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
CAN McKenna, FrankDeputy Chair, TD Bank Financial Group
GBR Micklethwait, John Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
FRA Montbrial, Thierry dePresident, French Institute for International Relations
ITA Monti, Mario President, Universita Commerciale Luigi Bocconi
INT Moyo, Dambisa F.Economist and Author
USA Mundie, Craig J. Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
NOR Myklebust, Egil Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, Norsk Hydro ASA
USA Naím, MoisésEditor-in-Chief, Foreign Policy
NLD Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the
ESP Nin Génova, Juan María President and CEO, La Caixa
DNK Nyrup Rasmussen, PoulFormer Prime Minister
GBR Oldham, JohnNational Clinical Lead for Quality and Productivity
FIN Ollila, JormaChairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc
USA Orszag, Peter R.Director, Office of Management and Budget
TUR Özilhan, Tuncay Chairman, Anadolu Group
ITA Padoa-Schioppa, Tommaso Former Minister of Finance; President of Notre Europe
GRC Papaconstantinou, GeorgeMinister of Finance
USA Parker, SeanManaging Partner, Founders Fund
USA Pearl, Frank H. Chairman and CEO, Perseus, LLC
USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
ESP Polanco, Ignacio Chairman, Grupo PRISA
CAN Prichard, J. Robert S.President and CEO, Metrolinx
FRA Ramanantsoa, Bernard Dean, HEC Paris Group
PRT Rangel, Paulo Member, European Parliament
CAN Reisman, Heather M. Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
SWE Renström, LarsPresident and CEO, Alfa Laval
NLD Rinnooy Kan, Alexander H.G.Chairman, Social and Economic Council of the Netherlands (SER)
ITA Rocca, Gianfelice Chairman, Techint
ESP Rodriguez Inciarte, MatíasExecutive Vice Chairman, Grupo Santander
USA Rose, Charlie Producer, Rose Communications
USA Rubin, Robert E.Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury
TUR Sabanci Dinçer, Suzan Chairman, Akbank
ITA Scaroni, PaoloCEO, Eni S.p.A.
USA Schmidt, Eric CEO and Chairman of the Board, Google
AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
DEU Scholz, OlafVice Chairman, SPD
INT Sheeran, Josette Executive Director, United Nations World Food Programme
INT Solana Madariaga, Javier Former Secretary General, Council of the European Union
ESP Spain, H.M. the Queen of
USA Steinberg, James B.Deputy Secretary of State
INT Stigson, BjörnPresident, World Business Council for Sustainable Development
USA Summers, Lawrence H.Director, National Economic Council
IRL Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, Goldman Sachs International
GBR Taylor, J. MartinChairman, Syngenta International AG
PRT Teixeira dos Santos, FernandoMinister of State and Finance
USA Thiel, Peter A.President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC
GRC Tsoukalis, LoukasPresident, ELIAMEP
INT Tumpel-Gugerell, GertrudeMember of the Executive Board, European Central Bank
USA Varney, Christine A.Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust
CHE Vasella, Daniel L.Chairman, Novartis AG
USA Volcker, Paul A.Chairman, Economic Recovery Advisory Board
CHE Voser, Peter CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
FIN Wahlroos, BjörnChairman, Sampo plc
CHE Waldvogel, Francis A.Chairman, Novartis Venture Fund
SWE Wallenberg, JacobChairman, Investor AB
NLD Wellink, Nout President, De Nederlandsche Bank
USA West, F.J. BingAuthor
GBR Williams, ShirleyMember, House of Lords
USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC
ESP Zapatero, José Luis Rodríguez Prime Minister
DEU Zetsche, Dieter Chairman, Daimler AG
INT Zoellick, Robert B. President, The World Bank Group
Rapporteurs
GBR Bredow, Vendeline vonBusiness Correspondent, The Economist
GBR Wooldridge, Adrian D.Business Correspondent, The Economist
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org
Bilderberg is governed by a Steering Committee which designates a Chairman; members are elected for a term of four years and can be re-elected. There are no other members of the Bilderberg conference.The Chair's main responsibilities are to chair the Steering Committee and to prepare with the Steering Committee the conference program, the selection of participants. He also makes suggestions to the Steering Committee regarding its composition. The Executive Secretary reports to the Chairman.
Steering Committee Former Steering Committee Members
Chairman
Etienne DavignonFormer Vice Chairman of EU Commission, Minister of State
D Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive, Deutsche Bank AG
USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.
P Balsemão, Francisco Pinto Chairman, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; former Prime Minister
I Bernabè, Franco CEO, Telecom Italia S.p.A.
F Castries, Henri de Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, AXA
E Cebrián, Juan Luis CEO, PRISA
CDN Clark, Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group
GB Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament
GR David, George A. Chairman, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A.
DK Eldrup, Anders President, DONG Energy A/S
D Enders, Thomas CEO, Airbus SAS
NL Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Public Economics, Leiden University
USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Senior Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC
GB Kerr, John Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc; Member of the House of Lords
USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
TR Koç, Mustafa V. Chairman, Koç Holding A.S.
USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute
USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
F Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations (IFRI)
I Monti, Mario President, Universita Commerciale Luigi Bocconi
N Myklebust, Egil Former Chairman of the Board of Directors, SAS
D Nass, Matthias Deputy Editor, Die Zeit
FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc
I Padoa-Schioppa Tommaso, President, Notre Europe
USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
CDN Reisman, Heather Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
A Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
IRL Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, BP plc and Chairman, Goldman Sachs International
GB Taylor, J. Martin Chairman, Syngenta International AG
USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC
CH Vasella, Daniel L. Chairman, Novartis AG
S Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB
USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC
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