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The 58th Bilderberg Meeting will be held in Sitges, Spain 3 - 6 June 2010. The Conference will deal mainly with Financial Reform, Security, Cyber Technology, Energy, Pakistan, Afghanistan, World Food Problem, Global Cooling, Social Networking, Medical Science, EU-US relations. Approximately 130 participants will attend of whom about two-thirds come from Europe and the balance from North America. About one-third is from government and politics, and two-thirds are from finance, industry, labor, education, and communications. The meeting is private in order to encourage frank and open discussion.

Bilderberg takes its name from the hotel in Holland, where the first meeting took place in May 1954. That pioneering meeting grew out of the concern expressed by leading citizens on both sides of the Atlantic that Western Europe and North America were not working together as closely as they should on common problems of critical importance. It was felt that regular, off-the-record discussions would help create a better understanding of the complex forces and major trends affecting Western nations in the difficult post-war period. The Cold War has now ended. But in practically all respects there are more, not fewer, common problems - from trade to jobs, from monetary policy to investment, from ecological challenges to the task of promoting international security. It is hard to think of any major issue in either Europe or North America whose unilateral solution would not have repercussions for the other.
Thus the concept of a European-American forum has not been overtaken by time. The dialogue between these two regions is still - even increasingly - critical.

What is unique about Bilderberg as a forum is the broad cross-section of leading citizens that are assembled for nearly three days of informal and off-the-record discussion about topics of current concern especially in the fields of foreign affairs and the international economy; the strong feeling among participants that in view of the differing attitudes and experiences of the Western nations, there remains a clear need to further develop an understanding in which these concerns can be accommodated; the privacy of the meetings, which has no purpose other than to allow participants to speak their minds openly and freely.
In short, Bilderberg is a small, flexible, informal and off-the-record international forum in which different viewpoints can be expressed and mutual understanding enhanced.

Bilderberg's only activity is its annual Conference. At the meetings, no resolutions are proposed, no votes taken, and no policy statements issued. Since 1954, fifty-seven conferences have been held. The names of the participants are made available to the press. Participants are chosen for their experience, their knowledge, and their standing; all participants attend Bilderberg in a private and not an official capacity.

There will be no press conference. A list of participants is appended.

3 June 2010
 
 

Bilderberg Meetings

Sitges, Spain 3-6 June 2010


Final List of Participants

Honorary Chairman
BELDavignon, EtienneVice Chairman, Suez-Tractebel
 
DEUAckermann, JosefChairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG
GBRAgius, MarcusChairman, Barclays Bank PLC
ESPAlierta, CésarChairman and CEO, Telefónica
INTAlmunia, JoaquínCommissioner, European Commission
USAAltman, Roger C.Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.
USAArrison, SoniaAuthor and policy analyst
SWEBäckström, UrbanDirector General, Confederation of Swedish Enterprise
PRTBalsemão, Francisco PintoChairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister
ITABernabè, FrancoCEO, Telecom Italia S.p.A.
SWEBildt, CarlMinister of Foreign Affairs
FINBlåfield, AnttiSenior Editorial Writer, Helsingin Sanomat
ESPBotín, Ana P.Executive Chairman, Banesto
NORBrandtzæg, Svein RichardCEO, Norsk Hydro ASA
AUTBronner, OscarPublisher and Editor, Der Standard
TURÇakir, RuşenJournalist
CANCampbell, GordonPremier of British Columbia
ESPCarvajal Urquijo, JaimeManaging Director, Advent International
FRACastries, Henri deChairman of the Management Board and CEO, AXA
ESPCebrián, Juan LuisCEO, PRISA
ESPCisneros, Gustavo A.Chairman and CEO, Cisneros Group of Companies
CANClark, W. EdmundPresident and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group
USACollins, Timothy C.Senior Managing Director and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
ITAConti, FulvioCEO and General Manager, Enel SpA
GRCDavid, George A.Chairman, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A.
DNKEldrup, AndersCEO, DONG Energy
ITAElkann, JohnChairman, Fiat S.p.A.
DEUEnders, ThomasCEO, Airbus SAS
ESPEntrecanales, José M.Chairman, Acciona
DNKFederspiel, UlrikVice President Global Affairs, Haldor Topsøe A/S
USAFeldstein, Martin S.George F. Baker Professor of Economics, Harvard University
USAFerguson, NiallLaurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University
AUTFischer, HeinzFederal President
IRLGallagher, PaulAttorney General
USAGates, William H.Co-chair, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and Chairman, Microsoft Corporation
USAGordon, Philip H.Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs
USAGraham, Donald E.Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company
INTGucht, Karel deCommissioner, European Commission
TURGürel, Z. DamlaSpecial Adviser to the President on EU Affairs
NLDHalberstadt, VictorProfessor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
USAHolbrooke, Richard C.Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan
NLDHommen, Jan H.M.Chairman, ING Group
USAHormats, Robert D.Under Secretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs
BELHuyghebaert, JanChairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group
USAJohnson, James A.Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
FINKatainen, JyrkiMinister of Finance
USAKeane, John M.Senior Partner, SCP Partners
GBRKerr, JohnMember, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc.
USAKissinger, Henry A.Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
USAKleinfeld, KlausChairman and CEO, Alcoa
TURKoç, Mustafa V.Chairman, Koç Holding A.Ş.
USAKravis, Henry R.Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
USAKravis, Marie-JoséeSenior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc.
INTKroes, NeelieCommissioner, European Commission
USALander, Eric S.President and Director, Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT
FRALauvergeon, AnneChairman of the Executive Board, AREVA
ESPLeón Gross, BernardinoSecretary General, Office of the Prime Minister
DEULöscher, PeterChairman of the Board of Management, Siemens AG
NORMagnus, BirgerChairman, Storebrand ASA
CANMansbridge, PeterChief Correspondent, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
USAMathews, Jessica T.President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
CANMcKenna, FrankDeputy Chair, TD Bank Financial Group
GBRMicklethwait, JohnEditor-in-Chief, The Economist
FRAMontbrial, Thierry dePresident, French Institute for International Relations
ITAMonti, MarioPresident, Universita Commerciale Luigi Bocconi
INTMoyo, Dambisa F.Economist and Author
USAMundie, Craig J.Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
NORMyklebust, EgilFormer Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, Norsk Hydro ASA
USANaím, MoisésEditor-in-Chief, Foreign Policy
NLDNetherlands, H.M. the Queen of the
ESPNin Génova, Juan MaríaPresident and CEO, La Caixa
DNKNyrup Rasmussen, PoulFormer Prime Minister
GBROldham, JohnNational Clinical Lead for Quality and Productivity
FINOllila, JormaChairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc
USAOrszag, Peter R.Director, Office of Management and Budget
TURÖzilhan, TuncayChairman, Anadolu Group
ITAPadoa-Schioppa, TommasoFormer Minister of Finance; President of Notre Europe
GRCPapaconstantinou, GeorgeMinister of Finance
USAParker, SeanManaging Partner, Founders Fund
USAPearl, Frank H.Chairman and CEO, Perseus, LLC
USAPerle, Richard N.Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
ESPPolanco, IgnacioChairman, Grupo PRISA
CANPrichard, J. Robert S.President and CEO, Metrolinx
FRARamanantsoa, BernardDean, HEC Paris Group
PRTRangel, PauloMember, European Parliament
CANReisman, Heather M.Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
SWERenström, LarsPresident and CEO, Alfa Laval
NLDRinnooy Kan, Alexander H.G.Chairman, Social and Economic Council of the Netherlands (SER)
ITARocca, GianfeliceChairman, Techint
ESPRodriguez Inciarte, MatíasExecutive Vice Chairman, Grupo Santander
USARose, CharlieProducer, Rose Communications
USARubin, Robert E.Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury
TURSabanci Dinçer, SuzanChairman, Akbank
ITAScaroni, PaoloCEO, Eni S.p.A.
USASchmidt, EricCEO and Chairman of the Board, Google
AUTScholten, RudolfMember of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
DEUScholz, OlafVice Chairman, SPD
INTSheeran, JosetteExecutive Director, United Nations World Food Programme
INTSolana Madariaga, JavierFormer Secretary General, Council of the European Union
ESPSpain, H.M. the Queen of
USASteinberg, James B.Deputy Secretary of State
INTStigson, BjörnPresident, World Business Council for Sustainable Development
USASummers, Lawrence H.Director, National Economic Council
IRLSutherland, Peter D.Chairman, Goldman Sachs International
GBRTaylor, J. MartinChairman, Syngenta International AG
PRTTeixeira dos Santos, FernandoMinister of State and Finance
USAThiel, Peter A.President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC
GRCTsoukalis, LoukasPresident, ELIAMEP
INTTumpel-Gugerell, GertrudeMember of the Executive Board, European Central Bank
USAVarney, Christine A.Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust
CHEVasella, Daniel L.Chairman, Novartis AG
USAVolcker, Paul A.Chairman, Economic Recovery Advisory Board
CHEVoser, PeterCEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
FINWahlroos, BjörnChairman, Sampo plc
CHEWaldvogel, Francis A.Chairman, Novartis Venture Fund
SWEWallenberg, JacobChairman, Investor AB
NLDWellink, NoutPresident, De Nederlandsche Bank
USAWest, F.J. BingAuthor
GBRWilliams, ShirleyMember, House of Lords
USAWolfensohn, James D.Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC
ESPZapatero, José Luis RodríguezPrime Minister
DEUZetsche, DieterChairman, Daimler AG
INTZoellick, Robert B.President, The World Bank Group

Rapporteurs
GBRBredow, Vendeline vonBusiness Correspondent, The Economist
GBRWooldridge, Adrian D.Business Correspondent, The Economist

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http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/governance.html

Bilderberg Meetings 
Sitges, Spain 3-6 June 2010 

Final List of Participants 
Honorary Chairman 
BELDavignon, EtienneVice Chairman, Suez-Tractebel 

DEU     Ackermann, JosefChairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG 
GBR     Agius, MarcusChairman, Barclays Bank PLC 
ESP     Alierta, César Chairman and CEO, Telefónica 
INT     Almunia, JoaquínCommissioner, European Commission 
USA     Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc. 
USA     Arrison, SoniaAuthor and policy analyst 
SWE     Bäckström, UrbanDirector General, Confederation of Swedish Enterprise 
PRT     Balsemão, Francisco Pinto Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister 
ITA     Bernabè, FrancoCEO, Telecom Italia S.p.A. 
SWE     Bildt, CarlMinister of Foreign Affairs 
FIN     Blåfield, AnttiSenior Editorial Writer, Helsingin Sanomat 
ESP     Botín, Ana P. Executive Chairman, Banesto 
NOR     Brandtzæg, Svein Richard CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA 
AUT     Bronner, OscarPublisher and Editor, Der Standard 
TUR     Çakir, Ru en Journalist 
CAN     Campbell, Gordon Premier of British Columbia 
ESP     Carvajal Urquijo, Jaime Managing Director, Advent International 
FRA     Castries, Henri de Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, AXA 
ESP     Cebrián, Juan LuisCEO, PRISA 
ESP     Cisneros, Gustavo A.Chairman and CEO, Cisneros Group of Companies 
CAN     Clark, W. Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group 
USA     Collins, Timothy C. Senior Managing Director and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC 
ITA     Conti, FulvioCEO and General Manager, Enel SpA 
GRC     David, George A. Chairman, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A. 
DNK     Eldrup, Anders CEO, DONG Energy 
ITA     Elkann, John Chairman, Fiat S.p.A. 
DEU     Enders, Thomas CEO, Airbus SAS 
ESP     Entrecanales, José M.Chairman, Acciona 
DNK     Federspiel, UlrikVice President Global Affairs, Haldor Topsøe A/S 
USA     Feldstein, Martin S.George F. Baker Professor of Economics, Harvard University 
USA     Ferguson, Niall Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University 
AUT     Fischer, HeinzFederal President 
IRL     Gallagher, PaulAttorney General 
USA     Gates, William H. Co-chair, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and Chairman, Microsoft Corporation 
USA     Gordon, Philip H.Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs 
USA     Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company 
INT     Gucht, Karel deCommissioner, European Commission 
TUR     Gürel, Z. Damla Special Adviser to the President on EU Affairs 
NLD     Halberstadt, VictorProfessor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings 
USA     Holbrooke, Richard C. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan 
NLD     Hommen, Jan H.M.Chairman, ING Group 
USA     Hormats, Robert D.Under Secretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs 
BEL     Huyghebaert, JanChairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group 
USA     Johnson, James A.Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC 
FIN     Katainen, Jyrki Minister of Finance 
USA     Keane, John M. Senior Partner, SCP Partners 
GBR     Kerr, John Member, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc. 
USA     Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc. 
USA     Kleinfeld, KlausChairman and CEO, Alcoa 
TUR     Koç, Mustafa V. Chairman, Koç Holding A. . 
USA     Kravis, Henry R. Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. 
USA     Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc. 
INT     Kroes, NeelieCommissioner, European Commission 
USA     Lander, Eric S.President and Director, Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT 
FRA     Lauvergeon, Anne Chairman of the Executive Board, AREVA 
ESP     León Gross, Bernardino Secretary General, Office of the Prime Minister 
DEU     Löscher, PeterChairman of the Board of Management, Siemens AG 
NOR     Magnus, BirgerChairman, Storebrand ASA 
CAN     Mansbridge, PeterChief Correspondent, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation 
USA     Mathews, Jessica T.President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace 
CAN     McKenna, FrankDeputy Chair, TD Bank Financial Group 
GBR     Micklethwait, John Editor-in-Chief, The Economist 
FRA     Montbrial, Thierry dePresident, French Institute for International Relations 
ITA     Monti, Mario President, Universita Commerciale Luigi Bocconi 
INT     Moyo, Dambisa F.Economist and Author 
USA     Mundie, Craig J. Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation 
NOR     Myklebust, Egil Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, Norsk Hydro ASA 
USA     Naím, MoisésEditor-in-Chief, Foreign Policy 
NLD     Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the 
ESP     Nin Génova, Juan María President and CEO, La Caixa 
DNK     Nyrup Rasmussen, PoulFormer Prime Minister 
GBR     Oldham, JohnNational Clinical Lead for Quality and Productivity 
FIN     Ollila, JormaChairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc 
USA     Orszag, Peter R.Director, Office of Management and Budget 
TUR     Özilhan, Tuncay Chairman, Anadolu Group 
ITA     Padoa-Schioppa, Tommaso Former Minister of Finance; President of Notre Europe 
GRC     Papaconstantinou, GeorgeMinister of Finance 
USA     Parker, SeanManaging Partner, Founders Fund 
USA     Pearl, Frank H. Chairman and CEO, Perseus, LLC 
USA     Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research 
ESP     Polanco, Ignacio Chairman, Grupo PRISA 
CAN     Prichard, J. Robert S.President and CEO, Metrolinx 
FRA     Ramanantsoa, Bernard Dean, HEC Paris Group 
PRT     Rangel, Paulo Member, European Parliament 
CAN     Reisman, Heather M. Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc. 
SWE     Renström, LarsPresident and CEO, Alfa Laval 
NLD     Rinnooy Kan, Alexander H.G.Chairman, Social and Economic Council of the Netherlands (SER) 
ITA     Rocca, Gianfelice Chairman, Techint 
ESP     Rodriguez Inciarte, MatíasExecutive Vice Chairman, Grupo Santander 
USA     Rose, Charlie Producer, Rose Communications 
USA     Rubin, Robert E.Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury 
TUR     Sabanci Dinçer, Suzan Chairman, Akbank 
ITA     Scaroni, PaoloCEO, Eni S.p.A. 
USA     Schmidt, Eric CEO and Chairman of the Board, Google 
AUT     Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG 
DEU     Scholz, OlafVice Chairman, SPD 
INT     Sheeran, Josette Executive Director, United Nations World Food Programme 
INT     Solana Madariaga, Javier Former Secretary General, Council of the European Union 
ESP     Spain, H.M. the Queen of 
USA     Steinberg, James B.Deputy Secretary of State 
INT     Stigson, BjörnPresident, World Business Council for Sustainable Development 
USA     Summers, Lawrence H.Director, National Economic Council 
IRL     Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, Goldman Sachs International 
GBR     Taylor, J. MartinChairman, Syngenta International AG 
PRT     Teixeira dos Santos, FernandoMinister of State and Finance 
USA     Thiel, Peter A.President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC 
GRC     Tsoukalis, LoukasPresident, ELIAMEP 
INT     Tumpel-Gugerell, GertrudeMember of the Executive Board, European Central Bank 
USA     Varney, Christine A.Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust 
CHE     Vasella, Daniel L.Chairman, Novartis AG 
USA     Volcker, Paul A.Chairman, Economic Recovery Advisory Board 
CHE     Voser, Peter CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc 
FIN     Wahlroos, BjörnChairman, Sampo plc 
CHE     Waldvogel, Francis A.Chairman, Novartis Venture Fund 
SWE     Wallenberg, JacobChairman, Investor AB 
NLD     Wellink, Nout President, De Nederlandsche Bank 
USA     West, F.J. BingAuthor 
GBR     Williams, ShirleyMember, House of Lords 
USA     Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC 
ESP     Zapatero, José Luis Rodríguez Prime Minister 
DEU     Zetsche, Dieter Chairman, Daimler AG 
INT     Zoellick, Robert B. President, The World Bank Group 

Rapporteurs 
GBR     Bredow, Vendeline vonBusiness Correspondent, The Economist 
GBR     Wooldridge, Adrian D.Business Correspondent, The Economist 

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org

Bilderberg is governed by a Steering Committee which designates a Chairman; members are elected for a term of four years and can be re-elected. There are no other members of the Bilderberg conference.The Chair's main responsibilities are to chair the Steering Committee and to prepare with the Steering Committee the conference program, the selection of participants. He also makes suggestions to the Steering Committee regarding its composition. The Executive Secretary reports to the Chairman. 
Steering Committee Former Steering Committee Members   

Chairman

Etienne Davignon
Former Vice Chairman of EU Commission, Minister of State 
D Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive, Deutsche Bank AG 
USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc. 
P Balsemão, Francisco Pinto Chairman, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; former Prime Minister 
I Bernabè, Franco CEO, Telecom Italia S.p.A. 
F Castries, Henri de Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, AXA 
E Cebrián, Juan Luis CEO, PRISA 
CDN Clark, Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group 
GB Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament 
GR David, George A. Chairman, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A. 
DK Eldrup, Anders President, DONG Energy A/S 
D Enders, Thomas CEO, Airbus SAS 
NL Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Public Economics, Leiden University 
USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC 
USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Senior Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC 
GB Kerr, John Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc; Member of the House of Lords 
USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc. 
TR Koç, Mustafa V. Chairman, Koç Holding A.S. 
USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute 
USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace 
F Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations (IFRI) 
I Monti, Mario President, Universita Commerciale Luigi Bocconi 
N Myklebust, Egil Former Chairman of the Board of Directors, SAS 
D Nass, Matthias Deputy Editor, Die Zeit 
FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc 
I Padoa-Schioppa Tommaso, President, Notre Europe 
USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research 
CDN Reisman, Heather Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc. 
A Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG 
IRL Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, BP plc and Chairman, Goldman Sachs International 
GB Taylor, J. Martin Chairman, Syngenta International AG 
USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC 
CH Vasella, Daniel L. Chairman, Novartis AG 
S Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB 
USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC 


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Please consider seriously the reason why these elite institutions are not discussed in the mainstream press despite the immense financial and political power they wield? 
There are sick and evil occultists running the Western World. They are power mad lunatics like something from a kids cartoon with their fingers on the nuclear button! Armageddon is closer than you thought. Only God can save our souls from their clutches, at least that's my considered opinion