Monday, 22 November 2010

Telegraph View

Irish independence is the euro's latest victim

Ireland must now choose between leaving the euro and deeper integration into a eurozone hostile to its low-tax experiments.

Irish independence is the euro's latest victim; Euro crisis: Ireland is losing its sovereignty; Getty
Euro crisis: Ireland is losing its sovereignty Photo: Getty

The governor of Ireland's central bank, Patrick Honohan, said yesterday that he expected the country to accept a bail-out worth tens of billions of euros from the EU and the IMF. This "large loan", as he accurately described it, would enable Ireland to show the world that it had "sufficient firepower to deal with any concerns of the market". Actually, what the proposed loan demonstrates is that Ireland is losing its sovereignty, a painful prospect indeed for such a proud nation. Hence an extraordinary editorial in yesterday's Irish Times, asking whether "this is what the men of 1916 died for", and bewailing Ireland's "shameful" loss of independence.

Although no final decision has been reached, the republic is clearly moving towards accepting funds that will stabilise the Irish banking system, now inextricably connected to the state. "Substantial" was another adjective used by Mr Honohan to describe the sum of money yesterday – and who can disagree? The loans will be equal to 80 per cent of Irish GDP.

Whether this situation is "shameful" is a matter of opinion; but it was certainly predictable. Twenty years ago, Eurosceptics argued that Britain would lose its sovereignty in just this fashion if it was foolhardy enough to join a single currency. We kept out, which meant that, when the time came to administer nasty medicine to our economy, at least the prescription was written in Westminster rather than Brussels – and at a time of our choosing. Ireland, in contrast, is being pushed by the EU into a rescue deal earlier than is strictly necessary, in order to stop the contagion of bad debt spreading to Portugal and Spain. Greece, meanwhile, has had its economic powers confiscated and is now an EU protectorate.

Ireland will not suffer quite that indignity if the bail-out goes ahead, but it will come under pressure to raise the low corporation tax that created hi-tech and service sector jobs during the "Celtic tiger" era. That tax regime, rather than the EU, was the source of prosperity. Yet the Irish elite's infatuation with Europe blinded it to that fact. Even yesterday, theIrish Times proclaimed that "we have made our independence more meaningful by sharing it with our European neighbours". Such odd logic is reminiscent of the belief that a nation can surrender its currency while keeping fiscal independence. Does anyone in Dublin still truly subscribe to it?

Ireland now faces a choice: between leaving the euro, a risky option it is unlikely to take, and deeper integration into a eurozone hostile to low-tax experiments. Either way, this crisis is not good news for Britain, whose banks are exposed to Irish debt; but at least we can still set our own interest rates.




73 comments
Today 02:07 PM
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You are all looking for solutions within the box you have been placed in. There aren't any. This box is cardboard and its floating out to sea. Its about to become waterlogged and we know what will happen then.
Monetary economics is a box with no future.
noah2010s
Today 03:00 AM
Its Only Money !
Yesterday 09:37 PM
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One suspects the Telegraph is telling us there is a lesson to be learned here. There is but it is not about the Euro or even about Ireland valuable and all as any lessons to be had there are.

The interests of the Countrys ecomomy or currency is not the same as the interests of the moneymen. If we invest so much of our belief in sovereignty and independence in a currency or an economy we leave ourself open to manipulation by those moneymen who have not practiced due diligence.


Yesterday 08:56 PM
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Don't hold your breath on Ukip getting huge support UK is being ethnically cleansed by mass immigration and in a few years would possibly lose the vote to withdraw. Britain has been sold as the dumping ground for all that mainland Europe does not want. The steps are already being put in place to hand over our defence forces to EU command. Brussels has achieved What Hitler couldn't, and without even a shot being fired. The pen is mightier than the sword.
Yesterday 03:33 PM
Sorry, this is a silly Euro-phobic piece.

It is absurd to write of losing "independence" under a larger monetary authority.

You would not say the same thing of the private banks who once issued currency at their pleasure before a central banking authority was created.

Europe is Ireland's future. What other option would there be for such a tiny country, especially one living so near a gigantic economy?

The same is true for Britain, but to a less intense degree since Britain's is a much larger economy.

The economic future of the world everywhere is in large blocs which regulate trade with each other.

The political aspects of the EU are hardly a bad thing in light of all those ghastly past wars.
Yesterday 04:26 AM
Ireland is happy to remain with the EU as the politicians are too hopeless to govern the country and manage the economy by themselves. They will fare better merely as administrators for the EU (ie to be re-colonised). This has essentially being going on for decades anyway eg "we have made our independence more meaningful by sharing it with our European neighbours".
11/20/2010 03:46 PM
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it would be unfair to apply mildred's adage in of human bondage to ALL OF EIRE, good riddance to bad rubbish!

but why are the dupes of the eu suddenly the responsibility of the uk?
they enjoyed the folly of brussels when it served their economic schemes; let them suffer the penalty of belgian chicanery with the rest of the fools who bought into the liars' lies.
11/20/2010 02:47 PM
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any nation that votes to sell its freedom for financial reward deserves everything it gets.UKIP warned us about the euro years ago and were scorned for it.The EU is a disaster for the UK and alwayts has been. It, and the politicians who collaborate, are the greatest threat to our freedom since Hitler. If you don't believe me then speak to an Irish citizen and ask them how they feel about their economy being run from Belgium by unelected people who have never set foot in Ireland. Thats where Nick Clegg and all those other chinless LibDems would have us if they had had their way. The sooner people in the UK stop voting for the pro Euro LibLabCon pact the better.
11/20/2010 02:38 PM
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Sadly, they actually need the ultra low rate of CT to attract multinationals to Ireland because it has a tiny domestic market and is on a geographical limb. Now it is being re-consigned to the EU charity case it was throughout the 70's and 80's when it was propped up by the CAP and structural funds to repair its decrepit roads etc. I have a cool musical condolence to cheer them up anyway:

11/20/2010 11:47 AM
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You lose your independance when you spend money you don't have and can't repay. This applies to individuals who buy houses they can't afford, people who take money from loan sharks, or nations who go on wild spending sprees.

Around the last election, the UK's economic options were never presented as a choice, but a necessity - that the markets would crucify the country otherwise. That isn't independence either - just a case of jumping before being pushed.

Of course the UK has had the freedom to devalue the currency and print money, although for neither action was there any obvious consultation of the people. The former has done little for the trade balance, and the latter seems to be stoking up inflation nicely.

Indeed, it seems bizarre that QE seems to be decision made independently by the Bank of England, despite it seeming way outside the remit orignally established for the MPC, and that inflation has been consistently above target. Quite where the sovereignty of parliment fits into any of that eludes me.

The UK's "independence" is rather less than it might seem.
11/20/2010 01:07 AM
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Ireland has been living for years off of grants from the EU, most of their infrastructure, roads, public buildings,leisure facilities,commercial incentives have all been built courtesy of EU grants.
Their farmers have milked the EU for years walking sheep backwards and forwards across the border claiming a subsidy each time and that's just one scam,keep a beaten up but working tractor on your drive for use in an emergency and get a yearly grant, guess where all of the UK's old tractors have ended up?.
As with everything in life there is no such thing as a free lunch, now the EU wants payback,it got part of its payback with the vote for Lisbon.
As for the UK,well its financial institutions own £140 billion of Ireland's debts, £50 billion of that with Lloyds and RBS and no doubt some of the UK pension funds are tied up in this debt as well , so those whose say let it go down, are insane?
11/19/2010 10:05 PM
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Jesus, I don't believe it! How can you share your independence, and how does this make it more meaningful? This is utter nonsense. The EU is a fantasy, it is a wife swapping club where your marriage is better off because everybody gets to bang your wife. People who believe this rubbish deserve to go broke.
ariel2
11/19/2010 09:30 PM
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I wonder if anyone has thought to seek the views of the IRA and its offshoots of all this.

And indeed, a little way down the line, when Spain falls even deeper into the clutches of the Franco-German Axis will ETA be consulted on this loss of independence?

Interesting -- and not a little disturbing -- to ponder that a mere two years ago the Spanish Chief of Staff was placed under house arrest for ( allegedly ) trying to foment a military coup.

( The last such attempt was that of Colonel Tejeda in 1978Not that long ago, is it?)
11/19/2010 09:48 PM
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It was Colonel Tejero and in February 1982. My apologies for being pedantic.
11/19/2010 08:47 PM
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Get out, thats what many of us want to do, the EU may be shocked, no doubt, of the many that will follow you to take control of their own country and currency again
11/19/2010 09:49 PM
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How about letting the banks go into administration? It might encourage creditors to be more careful in future about whom they lend money to.
11/19/2010 08:02 PM
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Welcome to the Fourth Reich - or is it the Fifth Republic?

Michael Collins must be turning in his grave.
11/19/2010 06:20 PM
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For goodness sake fix the edit function
11/19/2010 06:00 PM
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To the Irish people, welcome to the satrapy of EUSSR membership.

You rightly fought to be free from British rule. What do you now have? Slavery to the Franco German axis, which runs Europe. Let us not mince words, accept, the EU bail out, and you become nothing but slaves, to the unelected marxist politbureau in Brussels. Nobody, including myself (who is not pro Irish) have ever thought that the Irish people lack courage. Rise up and fight for your freedom. After all, all you have to lose are your chains.
Yesterday 06:56 PM
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Whilst in between, they were slaves to the evil RC church ....
11/19/2010 06:00 PM
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Eternally screaming for freedom from Britain only to allow itself to fall under the rule of another master. How tragic!
How shameful!
phantomsby
11/19/2010 05:21 PM
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The Irish secretly enjoy political subjection, anyway, it gives them their raison d'etre.
11/19/2010 05:08 PM
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I am afraid it is to late the Irish destiny has already been written by Brussels.
11/19/2010 03:14 PM
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It's not too late ireland. Get out now!!!!
11/19/2010 03:14 PM
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I cannot believe that the proud Irish have fallen for the false security of joining the Euro. Their people were lulled into a mistaken belief that being part of this economic and currency union would protect them from the pressures of globalisation. This myth as been exposed for the lie that it is.

It is a flexible currency, responsible and independent fiscal discipline and a pro-business trading environment that creates prosperity and employment NOT being part of the Euro and accepting huge inflows of debt that simply pump up asset prices.

What we are seeing at present is quite appalling. We have the EU telling an independent and sovereign state that IT MUST accept a bail-out. EU officials are slowly chipping away at the weak member states sovereignties as we speak.

If you stand back and survey the EU plan you can see what is clearly taking place. Greece, Ireland, Portugal are being picked off one by one and being sucked into the centre.

These countries will regret ever joining the Euro.

I just hope the Euro experiment collapses and soon. The UK will be a huge beneficiary




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