Netanyahu said he was shocked by the ambiguous condemnation of the attack by PA leaders -- which I shared last night which I will repeat below for your use, along with some new information on incitement). He further stated: "I am disappointed by the weak and mumbled statements. This is not how one condemns terrorism. This is not how one fights terrorism...there has never been anything like this, in which terrorists entered a home and cut children's throats. "This requires sharp and unequivocal condemnation. This requires something else. This requires a halt to the incitement.... The time has come to stop this double-talk in which the Palestinian Authority outwardly talks peace, and allows – and sometimes leads – incitement at home. The time has come to stop the incitement and begin educating their people for peace." ~~~~~~~~~~ Well OK. Netanyahu has finally said it. It's been time for him to say this for a long while. The fact that he says this now means he knew all along, of course. Knew of the PA duplicity and continuing incitement. Now we must hold him to what he has said, demanding that he mean it: Not a single concession. Not for Obama. Not for the EU. Not out of fear of being isolated internationally. For nothing. Those concessions bring no peace. They simply make us weaker and more vulnerable. ~~~~~~~~~~ Netanyahu must know and fully internalize this fact: His responsibility is to the safety of the people of Israel, not to the larger world. Defense Minister Ehud Barak has particular culpability with regard to this situation, because he has always been so eager to make concessions to show the world how prepared we were to "make peace." In the area around Itamar, there have been checkpoints taken down, and security checks relaxed. And so not only should there be no more concessions, there should be a reinstatement of security measures, in line with the government's responsibility to protect the people. Since 1984, when Itamar was founded, 20 of its members have been killed by terrorists. No more! Netanyahu should fire Barak now, and replace him with Moshe Ya'alon. And if he refuses to do so, at the very least, he must take the helm of his government and himself make the necessary tough decisions to protect the Israeli people. ~~~~~~~~~~ And there is yet one action that should be taken by the government of Israel now: Civil law should be applied to all of the Jewish communities of Judea and Samaria.It's time to stop the charade of proceeding for peace, and to assert our rights. ~~~~~~~~~~ And so, my friends, there are some actions I now request of you: Share this posting very broadly. Put it out everywhere. With the news focus on the tragedy in Japan, most people will not know of this. And people must know, in order to understand. ~~~~~~~~~~ Then, please, contact Prime Minister Netanyahu. As always, I ask that you be respectful, brief and to the point. Fax: 02-670-5369 (From the US : 011-972-2-670-5369) E-mail: Memshala@pmo.gov.il and also pm_eng2@it.pmo.gov.il (underscore after pm) use both addresses Remember that numbers count. ~~~~~~~~~~ Then, please, I ask US citizens to contact your representatives in Congress. Tell them you are informing them about the situation in Israel, as full information may not have come to them. Without that information, they would not be able to make proper decisions. Then describe the attack, briefly. Don't be afraid to include the link to the pictures of the slaughtered children. Say that a four-year-old was knifed in the heart and an infant had her throat slit. Explain that it is crystal clear that the PA is not a partner for peace and that it only weakens Israel to make further concessions. Use the material I've provided in this posting to bolster your position, especially with regard to what PA leaders said and how PM Netanyahu responded. Tell them that it would be wrong to demand more concessions of any sort from Israel, and that Israel has an obligation first to protect her civilian population. Provide them with this link from Palestinian Media Watch, which exposes PA incitement: http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=4793 ~~~~~~~~~~ For your Congresspersons: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml For your Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm ~~~~~~~~~~ One day before the terror attack, Sabri Saidam, who is an advisor to President Mahmoud Abbas and under-secretary of the Fatah Revolutionary Council, delivered a speech. In that speech, according to the newspaper Al Ayam, "He emphasized that the weapons must be turned towards the main enemy [Israel] and that internal differences of opinion must be set aside." This was picked up by Palestinian Media Watch http://www.palwatch.org . ~~~~~~~~~~ Comments on the attack by PA officials: © Arlene Kushner. This material is produced by Arlene Kushner , functioning as an independent journalist. Permission is granted for it to be reproduced only with proper attribution. Baby Killers: BBC Butchers the Real Story March 13, 2011 15:42 by Simon Plosker http://honestreporting.com/baby-killers-bbc-butchers-the-real-story/ Only days after HonestReporting’s Managing Editor wrote about the thread that links Palestinian incitement to inevitable acts of terror, Israel has suffered a shocking and brutal terrorist attack carried out by baby killers. Yet the BBC has still managed to turn this into a story about settlements. As the JPost reports: A mother, father and three of their children were stabbed to death late Friday night by at least one suspected terrorist who infiltrated the Itamar settlement southeast of Nablus. The killings occurred shortly after 10 p.m., when one or two attackers jumped the fence that surrounds Itamar and broke into the home of Ruth and Udi Fogel, aged 35 and 36, respectively. The attackers went room to room, stabbing the parents, a three-month-old girl, Hadas, and two boys, Elad, three, and Yoav, 11. Clearly, those who are capable of the premeditated murder of babies and children are driven by something far deeper than an aversion to the existence or building of Israeli settlements. There is nothing more innocent than a three-month old. Yet, many media outlets still chose to politicize the horrific slaughter of innocents by focusing less on the despicable act itself and more on making an issue of the location of the attack and dehumanizing the victims as “settlers”. Note some of the following headlines: But the most shocking and callous treatment of the incident was produced by the BBC. While the news cycle moved on and media outlets turned towards an announcement of approval for construction in Israeli settlements, most at least gave prominence to the appalling details of the terrorist attack even if this became part of a story relating to settlements. The BBC, however, virtually buried the Fogel family’s massacre, once again demonstrating its obsession with the settlement issue above all other issues relating to the Arab-Israeli Conflict. No dedicated reportage of the brutal attack was featured elsewhere on the site. Instead, subsumed in a story of settlements, it warrants only a few lines. The BBC does, however, report that the attack “has shocked many Palestinians”. Of course, the BBC failed to mention that Hamas described the attack as a “heroic operation” while sweets and candies were handed out in Gaza in celebration. The BBC has exercised its own moral judgment that says that the issuing of building permits in settlements is the cause of terror. Otherwise, the story may have included statements from Israel’s Prime Minister Netanyahu attributing the terror attack to Palestinian incitement. The BBC has a well-staffed bureau in Jerusalem with the same access as other media outlets. Yet it chose not to publish any photos or specific details of the terror incident. In the BBC’s world, it is all about the settlements. By politicizing such a heinous terrorist crime perpetrated against a baby, two small children and their parents, the BBC is as guilty as the perpetrators of dehumanizing innocent Israelis based on where they live. For the BBC, it seems that the location of the murders and the stress on how settlements “are held to be illegal under international law” is more important than the murders themselves. If the BBC ever had any moral compass, it has demonstrated that it has completely lost it. In the BBC’s eyes, there is no moral difference between deliberately murdering innocent babies and the construction of homes in disputed territory. Indeed, for the BBC, the settlement issue at best allows one to “understand” why such an atrocity could take place and at worst, justifies it. The BBC is by no means the only guilty party in creating an environment where Israeli Jews living in West Bank communities are dehumanized to the point that a three-month old is merely a “settler” – the Palestinian Authority’s continuous incitement in the Palestinian media and education system bear much responsibility. But the international media have bought into this narrative of demonization and helped to create such a toxic environment that the murder of innocents is deemed to be almost acceptable and the human story behind a tragedy is cynically removed. “Incitement against Israel, which frequently turns into genuine anti-Semitic incitement, is an inseparable part of the fabric of life in the Palestinian Authority, “ noted Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu in a statement issued by his media adviser following the murder. “These anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic messages are regularly heard in both the private and official media and in mosque sermons, and are studied in school textbooks. Terrorists are given honored status and become models for emulation in Palestinian society, both in the media and via ceremonies held by institutions affiliated with the PA." “Institutionalized and systematic incitement against Israel has never ceased in the PA, even during the height of the diplomatic process in the 1990s,” the PMO noted. Recent Examples of PA Incitement On the day before the brutal slaying of the Fogel family, Sabri Saidam, adviser to Abbas and under-secretary of the Fatah Revolutionary Council, told PA Arabs in a speech that “the weapons must be turned towards the main enemy [Israel] and that internal differences of opinion must be set aside.” Saidam denounced the low monthly stipends to families of terrorists who murder Israelis. He also called for the naming of another public square in honor of Dalal Mughrabi, the bloodthirsty terrorist who led the 1978 Coastal Road massacre that left dozens of Israelis dead, including 13 children. On March 6, the Al Hayat Al Jadida newspaper advertised the naming of a “youth” tournament for 19 year olds honoring the memory of "shahida" (Martyr) Wafa Idris – the first female PA Arab suicide bomber. As a Red Crescent ambulance volunteer, she was able to bypass Israeli security and enter Jerusalem, where she murdered one person and wounded more than 150 others in January 2002. One week prior to the brutal attack on the Fogel family, the Fatah faction led by Abbas held a ceremony at the Deheisheh neighborhood of Bethlehem, honoring those of its homegrown terrorists who were killed during the PA's terrorist campaign against Israel in the years 2002-2005. Those “honored” included suicide bomber Muhammad Daraghmeh, who murdered nine Israelis in Jerusalem, as well as Saed Saud Abu Amar, Jad Mahmoud Atallah, Issa Zakri Faraj and Ayyat Al-Akhras – who at age 17 was the youngest female suicide bomber, having murdered two Israelis in her suicide bombing of March 2002. On February 9, the official PA TV station broadcast a clip from a campaign entitled “Women as Role Models” during which Dalal Mughrabi was extolled as a prime example. Last summer several children's camps were named in her memory. Two months prior to the Fogel murder, PA Chairman and Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas awarded $2,000 to the family of a terrorist who attacked and attempted to murder IDF soldiers. Khaldoun Najib Samoudy raced towards IDF soldiers at the Hamra checkpoint in December 2010, carrying two pipe bombs and screaming “Allahu Akbar!” (G-d is Great). His act was lauded in the January 25 edition of the Fatah-backed PA newspaper, Al Hayat Al Jadida, which covered an award ceremony in which Abbas bestowed a “presidential grant” of $2,000 on the relatives of the “Shahid” (martyr) in the village of Al-Yamoun. The article, in Arabic, was translated by media watchdog the Palestinian Media Watch (PMW). On January 2, the Al Hayat Al Jadida newspaper reported a speech by Azzam Al-Ahmed, a member of the Fatah Central Committee, which expressed the PA government's support for terrorism as a means of “resistance." During a gathering on the 46th anniversary of the faction's founding, Al-Ahmed was quoted as saying, “We emphasize today the aims for which the Fatah movement was established,” adding Fatah is a mass movement which believes in popular revolution and has wrested its right to use all means of resistance in order to achieve its aim. On October 26, 2010, PA TV broadcast a documentary about the work of PA medical teams that included an entirely fictitious scene in which an Israeli soldier shoots a PA Arab in the head. On June 21, 2010, a children's program was broadcast on the official PA TV channel which taught that “The Jews are our enemies,” and that “Israeli soldiers are wild animals.” On December 27, 2009, official PA TV reported that Tayib Abd A-Rahim, a representative of Abbas, presented condolences on behalf of the PA chairman to the families of three terrorists killed by IDF soldiers after murdering Rabbi Meir Avshalom Chai. A-Rahim said on Abbas's behalf, that “without doubt, the Occupation authorities perpetrated a wild and barbaric assassination, maliciously and in cold blood.” In PA schools, the “History of the Arabs and the World in the 20th Century” is a 12th grade textbook used the Palestinian Authority to teach about World War II. The textbook includes material on Nazi ideology – but does not mention the Holocaust at all. I would like to express my deep outrage, outrage which is certainly felt by every Israeli over the murder of a young family – father, mother, eleven-year-old boy, four-year-old-boy and four-month-old girl, said the Prime Minister after the terrorist attack at Itamar, in Samaria." Click here for photos of the murder victims that were released by the Fogel family, who gave full permission for their use in order to report on the horrific reality of murdering children and babies in their sleep "simply because they are Jewish." Warning: These photos are extremely graphic and not intended for children. The Prime Minister continued, “One of the girls saw her parents and siblings stabbed to death. The family was brutally murdered in their sleep on the Sabbath… “I have noticed that several countries that always hasten to the UN Security Council in order to condemn Israel, the state of the Jews, for planning a house in some locality, or for laying some tiles somewhere have been dilatory in sharply condemning the murder of Jewish infants. I expect them to issue such condemnations immediately, without balances, without understandings, without justifications… "I am disappointed by the weak and mumbled statements. This is not how one condemns terrorism. This is not how one fights terrorism.” President Peres stated, "This is one of the most difficult and despicable events that we have seen - the murder of parents and their young children including a three-year old and [newly-born] baby, on the Sabbath. It indicates a loss of humanity. There is no religion in the world or any faith that allows these kinds of horrible acts. “There are no words of consolation in the face of this devastation. Our hearts are with the orphans and with the community of Itamar during this extremely difficult time. I am sure that the security forces will make every possible effort in order to capture the murderers and bring them to the appropriate justice." He also contradicted American claims that the Palestinian Authority is making an honest attempt to combat terror. He revealed that PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, hours after the massacre at Itamar, met with a member of a song group that contributes to an “atmosphere of terror.” “The foundation of Fatah still is the use of terror -- which it calls resistance -- as the preferred tool to ‘free Palestine,’" he said in a special conference call with the media Saturday night. “Through songs and school textbooks and by honoring terrorists, the Palestinian Authority calls for terrorist attacks, and children are told to prepare homework on a song written by an Egyptian in 1948 calling for terror. “That is the kind of message the Palestinian Authority public gets from its leadership, even though they say to the world, ‘We are against violence because violence doesn’t pay, but that does not mean it is not legitimate; people who commit violence are our heroes.’” Kuperwasser also accepted criticism from several journalists that foreign governments, especially the United States, are not receiving a clear message from Israel. He said he will tell the Cabinet Sunday that Israel needs a clear, unified voice to negate J Street and Peace Now “blame Israel” messages. Four Kadima party Knesset Members attended the annual conference of J Street, which until recently was a favorite source of views on Israel for U.S. President Barack Obama. J Street and Peace Now’s general policy is to blame a Jewish presence in Judea and Samaria as the reason for Palestinian Authority terror, ignoring the fact that there have been many more terror attacks in Israel's main cities than in Judea and Samaria and that they began long before the 1967 War.. Kuperwasser contradicted American claims that the Palestinian Authority has made a serious contribution to the reduction of terror in Judea and Samaria. “They make cosmetic moves but incitement continues shortly after every terrorist attack,” he stated. He also said that the savage attack on the Fogel family Friday night demonstrates there is no “culture of peace” in the Palestinian Authority. In response to a question from Israel National News on whether he could connect the attack with the removal of key security checkpoints in the area of Itamar, Kuperwasser said, “I hope not. We are investigating.” The Brigadier General, a former senior intelligence officer of the IDF Central Command, charged that the Palestinian Authority “index of peace” shows that the Arabs are less involved in direct terror but are involved in encouraging terrorism and violence. "They are building a culture that refuses the right of Jews to live in the Land of Israel, and this ongoing phenomenon and brainwashing have a lot do with the background behind this inhumane attack [on Itamar],” he said. Iran’s semi-official Fars News Agency told Iranians that the attackers “managed to kill all the five Zionists who were in the house…. The Palestinian combatant has returned home safely after conducting his mission successfully." “The operation was a natural response to the crimes of the Zionist regime against the Palestinian people.” Hamas stated, “According to the international law, Palestinian resistance factions have the full right to resist any kind of occupation on the land of Palestine, as well as the Israeli crimes against the Palestinian people in West Bank and Gaza grant the Palestinian resistance factions to use all tools and means of resistance against the Israeli occupation forces and the armed Israeli settlers.” The de facto Hamas government in Gaza went so far as to suggest that Israelis may have murdered the Fogel family. Even before the burial of Rabbi Udi and Ruth Fogel and three of their young children, the EU and at least one Labor Knesset Member called for a resumption of talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. “There is no substitute for direct talks, said Home Front Minister Matan Vilnai, who followed Defense Minister Ehud Barak in quitting the Labor party and joining his new Independence party. The EU and the United Nations also urged a renewal of direct talks, which Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has refused without advanced acceptance by Israel of all of his demands. However, Israel charged that the PA has encouraged terrorist attacks by a constant policy of incitement, despite its commitment to halt the incitement before the sides try to reach agreement on the final status of the proposed Palestinian Authority state. Vilnai, besides calling for more efforts for talks, recently justified IDF training of soldiers to fire at Jewish residents of Judea and Samaria. "Knives have been pulled out before, and not just once or twice, to be used on car tires. I am not sure it will not go further than tires,” he said in response to questions from nationalist MKs. His leap in reasoning from “tires” to fears of something worse, meaning that the murders might give rise to Jewish revenge, was echoed by the Ha'aretz newspaper Sunday morning. Both seemed to forget that Palestinian terror is the issue, not some feared or imagined possible revenge, but a constant reality that reached massacre level on Friday night. The newspaper, which determinedly campaigns for Israel’s surrendering to Palestinian Authority territorial demands, darkly warned that the slaughter by Arab terrorists might spark a response that "could deteriorate into terrorism by Jewish extremists." The newspaper also contradicted statements by Strategic Affairs Ministry Director General Yossi Kuperwasser and supported the PA claim, despite all evidence to the contrary, that it is thwarting terror. “The PA security apparatus has recently undertaken many successful operations that have saved Israeli lives, including extricating Israelis who mistakenly ended up in the heart of Palestinian towns and the arrest of would-be terrorists seeking to kidnap and murder settlers,” Ha'aretz insisted. Kuperwasser pointed out to the media Saturday night that PA attempts to fight terror are “cosmetic” and are not part of an atmosphere of peace due to a PA policy of incitement that encourages terror. Abbas, after a mild condemnation of violence in general, stated that “violence produces violence and what is needed is to speed up a just and comprehensive solution to the conflict.” Following calls from the United States, he issued a harsher and more unconditional condemnation of the stabbing attack. J Street, the American lobby that supports talking with Hamas, “unequivocally” condemned the stabbing attack Friday, but Americans for Peace Now has not issued a statement. Unlike previous remarks after terrorist attacks, J Street did not couple its condemnations with a call to return to talks between the Palestinian Authority and Israel. The White House stated, “We condemn in the strongest possible terms the murder of five Israelis in a terrorist attack in the northern West Bank, and we offer our condolences to their loved ones and to the Israeli people. “There is no possible justification for the killing of parents and children in their home. We call on the Palestinian Authority to unequivocally condemn this terrorist attack and for the perpetrators of this heinous crime to be held accountable."
“The killing of an infant and the slaughtering of people in this way was never carried out by any Palestinians for national motives or revenge. This puts a question mark over the swift accusation made by the Israeli side – to the effect that Palestinians had carried out the attack.”
by Chana Ya'ar March 13, 2011 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142857
Praising numerous attacks by terrorists, the PA government has made special efforts to encourage the murder of Israelis – and has not shied away from praising those who kill children, despite protestations to the contrary.
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu March 13, 2011 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142849
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu March 13, 2011 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142845
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu March 13, 2011 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142855
Monday, 14 March 2011
Also attached:
HonestReporting: Baby Killers: BBC Butchers the Real Story
Fogel Family Slaughter Deliberately Incited by PA
Netanyahu Demands End of ‘Double-Talk’
‘Palestinian Authority Sings for Terror’
Iran Praises Savage Murders; Haaretz Fears ‘Right-Wing Jews’
I have still not heard a word from Obama, the White House or State Department, have you....?
March 13, 2011
"Truth Be Told"
There is no shying away from this ugly truth, just because it's unbearably painful to contemplate. It's time to face it square on.
I began my report on the family slaughtered in Itamar late last night. Here I continue:
It was members of the Fogel family who were slain in their home on Shabbat. Rabbi Udi Fogel, 36, who taught at the Itamar yeshiva. Ruth Fogel, 34. Yoav, age 11. Eldad, four. Tiny baby Hadas.
Here you have a picture of Eldad, with the beautiful (unabashedly I say, kissable) face of a happy child. Look well, and then understand that he was stabbed in the heart. His baby sister had her throat cut.
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There is a fence around Itamar, and I'm receiving conflicting stories about how the terrorists got in. What seems to have happened is that some alarm was set off by the fact that the fence was touched, but as the Itamar security guards did not find a break in the fence -- it apparently had been jumped --they assumed it was an animal and pursued it no further.
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Inside the Fogel home, the parents fought their attackers; there is evidence of this. The murderers missed two of the children sleeping in another room: Ro'i, eight, and two-year-old Shai.
The Fogel's twelve-year-old daughter, Tamar, was out at a Shabbat youth group gathering. When she returned, she found her slaughtered family.
Can you imagine?
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Brace yourselves, but don't spare yourselves. See here photos of what Tamar found when she entered her home:
When there have been terrorist attacks here in Israel it has not been the norm to put out photos like this because of a sensitive desire to protect mourners. But these pictures were released by the Yesha Council with the permission of the family, because it's time to take off our gloves. It's time for the world to "get it" with regard to what Jews here endure.
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With the help of neighbors who came running at her piercing screams, Tamar brought out her two live siblings.
They are all being cared for by their grandparents, Chaim Fogel and his wife (whose name I do not have) of Nevei Tzuf, in Samaria. The senior Fogels were given the terrible news in the middle of the night by Nevei Tzuf emergency service workers, who then brought them to Itamar. There, they saw the scene of horror for themselves and brought the living grandchildren back with them.
The funerals are taking place now -- at 1:30 PM -- as I write, at Har Hamenuchot Cemetery in Jerusalem.
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May the Almighty embrace the souls of those who were murdered in a flood of light and total peace, while avenging their deaths. May He be ever with the surviving children.
May there be strength for the senior Fogels and other friends and family who will care for the surviving children. And may the love of the caretakers who will tend to them bring succor to the Fogel children, so that in time they may re-build their lives for good.
And, finally, may our people Israel know this sort of tragedy no more.
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More words, in a televised statement last night, from Prime Minister Netanyahu:
"I noticed that several states which rushed to condemn Israel for building a house in some place are taking their time in condemning the murder of children.”
After an initial silence, PA president Mahmoud Abbas said on Saturday that he rejects "all violence against civilians."
But look at all of the qualifying:
Abbas, in his statement, said, "violence produces violence and what is needed is to speed a just and comprehensive solution to the conflict.”
What violence produces violence? There is nothing, but nothing, even remotely that Israeli Jews have done that is "violent" in the sense that this attack is violent. So Abbas is drawing a false and obscene moral equivalency.
And then this becomes a sort of justification. If only we will stop our "occupation" and give them their state, then the violence would stop. Of course, that is not so either, twice over. Not so that we are "occupiers." And not so that our pulling back would stop the hatred and the terror.
To further obfuscate the issue, PA foreign minister Riad al-Malki said that his ministry condemns the killing of Israelis by “people whose identity remains unknown.”
Al-Malki, ever concerned about how his people look to the outside world, attempted to deny the patently obvious.
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see my website www.ArlenefromIsrael.info
Fogel Family Slaughter Deliberately Incited by PA
The Palestinian Authority government deliberately incited its population to terrorism long before the Sabbath slaughter of the Fogel family in the Samaria Jewish community of Itamar this past Friday night.
Netanyahu Demands End of ‘Double-Talk’
Prime Minister Netanyahu demands a thorough condemnation by the Palestinian Authority of the Itamar massacre and an end to its ”double-talk.” President Shimon Peres said, “There are no words of consolation in the face of this devastation. “
‘Palestinian Authority Sings for Terror’
The Palestinian Authority “sings for terror,” IDF Brigadier General Yossi Kuperwasser, director general of the Strategic Affairs Ministry, said Saturday night, 24 hours after PA terroristsslaughtered five members of the Fogel family in the Jewish community of Itamar in Samaria.
Iran Praises Savage Murders; Haaretz Fears ‘Right-Wing Jews’
Iran and Hamas praised the savage terrorist attack on Itamar Friday night, while Ha'aretz concentrates on fearing “right-wing extremist” Jews, Peace Now remains silent, and the European Union, as usual, calls for peace talks.
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