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For Those With Children Born In The European Union (Page 2 ... pls go and check EU directives and regulations totally supercedes not just irish but every single eumember state's domestic immigration law there is a ... www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-627672.32.html Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union « #32 on: May 26, 2011, 12:43 AM » @ lucabrasi, Yes yes yes, you got my poin now. This is exactly what I've been pointing out as: Irrespective of the parent's immigration status as long as the child/children are either british,irish or holds a passport of any of the EU countries living in the EU member state then the law applies to them usewisdom Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union « #33 on: May 26, 2011, 12:50 AM » This is exactly what I've been saying. If the child does not have any European passport but born in the EU, the zambarano does not apply. But if the child does have any European passport while his/her parents is illegal, then the law applies, and the parent have right to live with the child. I think I'm absolute right? Busy_body (f) Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union « #34 on: May 26, 2011, 07:43 AM » I responded to someone's comment, you barged in like a cow wey no get rope for neck calling me a liar, i ignored this and told you to stop acting like a plank (mind you i didn't call you one, was just advising you not to act like one), you responded calling me a fool, an olodo and a proffesional liar . . .so why is your hypocritical yansh now crying like "oku ti won gba asho lorun e", (a disrobed ghost) oni rada rada oshi, o ti dabi awon keke baje ko shey to, yen Gongosu oshi Lol @ him calling Justdunce on me, ha ha ha, dogedelu'na ati dadandidi, twedledum and tweedledee, I see your problem. . . in the land of the blind. . . Why is it always those who should only converse in English with a cloth covering their face - due to shame that their comprehension/listening/writing is wack - that is always trying to call other people's English out By the way, answer my first questions to you, then we can proceed, they are already in minute phrases or do you need me to number them so you can clearly comprehend That is if you can count 1-2-3 though Anyway, off to take my pikin to jeleosimi, would be back shortly, but if I am late because your ignorance/stupidity that's got me ROFLMAO since, na ayilala i go send after you @ Lucabrasi Did you see the arindin moves he just conjured up First he vehemently disagrees with your points that he is 100% right, then you repeat the same points and he does a u-turn and claims that was exactly the same thing he was saying, lol. He was even thanking you for understanding him You can't make it up Quote from: inspired_m on May 25, 2011, 10:30 PM Busy_body, I can read that you are an immigration Expert With emphasis in British Immigration. My friend has a Child in the UK. His Son is British because the Mother is British But He ( The Father ) is Nigerian, He wants to Take Custody of the Son, How can he Go about it ? he is not Interested in acquiring British Citizenship or any sort, he just wants to give his Son the Best Please your advice would be Most appreciated as a seasoned, experienced British Immigration Lawyer cu.m Consultant per Excellence that you are. I usually don't do this since I have retired, but because it is you, £14k pere, jale jale, last price Tell your friend not to raise his hopes too high though, because even if the Court grants him sole custody (they rarely grant Dads because Mums raises them better and usually allow Dad one visit a month on average), he should be prepared for the woman to run rings around him and frustrate him and not play ball just to use the child to get back at him, knowing he would have to go to Court everytime he needs her to comply I love UK Family Courts for being naturally skewed in favour of women thereby screwing men up, i tell ya UNSOLICITED ADVISE (THOUGH THIS ALONE IS WORTH £14K, I WILL DASH YOU FREE) - if the guy is sure his sperm's still sure, he should move on and go and sow his seed elsewhere, and if e nor sure for am, God giveth, God taketh, it is not a must to get married as not eneryone can due to men shortage, neither is it a must to have children, WHY IS HE WASTING HIS ENERGY ON JUST ONE CHILD ALONE , WHEN THERE ARE PLENTY ORPHANAGES IN NIGERIA WITH CHILDREN WAITING TO BE LOVED Busy_body (f) Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union « #35 on: May 26, 2011, 07:51 AM » Quote from: lucabrasi on May 25, 2011, 11:20 PM @usewisdom pls calm down what busy_body has written doesnt warrant that much vitriol being poured on her,why cant we nigerians calmly and rationaly state our views without resorting to name callings?no one will bother reading your comments no matter how helpful when you have started with curses and infantille verbal barbs. by the way busy_body is totally right about zambrano, the law is retroactive meaning that irrespective of what the status was before the very last judgement the latest judgement will triumph over and above what has been obtained before. besides i hope you realise and yu can find it in the european treatise which i can make available for you if you want,judgement from the ECJ and also european directives and regulations SUPERCEDE either english or irish or any other ec domestic immigration laws,furthermore in an event where there is a clash between the domestic laws of the member state and the european directives/regulations the EU directives will triumph without any question. the whole point of my preamble as far as this issue is concerned,zambrano will supercede any irish domestic immigration law,in fact the ukba have already started treating the relevant cases that fall under the zambrano purview THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, GOD BLESS YOU, MAY YOUR FOUNTAIN OF KNOWLEDGE NEVER RUN DRY, I have to marry you by hook or by crook, you are the only man I can leave my e-harem consisting of 67 men for, in the blink of an eye, just say the word, don't keep this lady waiting too long though Quote from: lucabrasi on May 26, 2011, 12:35 AM ^^^no worries just chill out and cut out the whole swearing and abuse,its obvious you are a matured man from the colouring of your comments and busy_body is good peoples as well so lets all debate without abuse so we can all learn from each other. pls post the judgement if you can,however just like you i have read and printed out a hard copy of the judgement like many other for my records as i offer advise on european directives/regulations to a number of people in my church. pls check the exegesis of the zambrano case sire,there are two illegal immigrants who have children who are EU citizen,now the main point of the judgement is based on their fundamental human rights i.e the fact that both parents are illegal must not deprive the children of the right of their parents .by this reasoning therefore irrespective of the parent's immigration status as long as the child/children are either british,irish or holds a passport of any of the EU countries living in the EU member state then the law applies to themyes at the bolded and the simple reason like the judgment inferred is that it is not about the parents because if they didnt have children or if their childre were not EU passport holders they would be removed/deported and moreover if their children were above the age of consent then the parents would be deported but as long as the child/children needs that integral link in their life(i.e parents and parental responsibility)then they have a right under the human rights charter to get that. why do you think the political party ukip and the conservative government are shouting that they want to re visit the human rights charter?it is because of the rights which it confers upon every human being irrespective of your status. pls go and check EU directives and regulations totally supercedes not just irish but every single eu member state's domestic immigration law there is a bunch of articles i can give recommend you go and read international affairs and defence section library of house of commons by vaughne miller its about 16 pages the immigration board blog too will tell you the same thing as i also contibute to the site/blog The OP posted just two links pere yet usewisdom could not understand this, you are now recommending further websites and books for him, you wan scatter hin brain and turn it to mush or jelly Ha ha, see the way he just did that u-turn Busy_body (f) Re: For Those With Children Born In The European Union « #36 on: May 26, 2011, 07:59 AM » Quote from: usewisdom on May 25, 2011, 10:44 PM @ inspired_m, Busy_body is not expert in any immigration law at all. He's just here bombing lies and telling rubish to innocent people of what he doesn't even have a clue about. @ Busy_body or whatever u claim your name is: I don't blame you. Thank God I found you, I've been searching for a silly GOAT with cancer disease like you. But why your brain is so noisy like this? Did u even pass-by primary school?? I don't think so. Your English alone is a straight pointer to the fact that you're simply looking so haggard like a drug addict sitting down beside cyber cafe typing rubish about what u don't have a clue about. No manners, courtesy, and respect. U need to go back to primary school, even my son cannot even read what u wrote here. silly and silly cow. I don't know u from no where and u end up making noise with your dirty mouth that I'm sure you've not brush for the past 3 weeks. @ others, It was important to understand that the ECJ judgment applied only where the child is a citizen and had no implications whatever for Irish citizenship law or any European citizenship law, which remained a matter of their Constitution. This Irish citizenship law was changed in 2005 so that a child of non-Irish parents born in Ireland was no longer automatically entitled to citizenship. - In Ireland here example: You can become an Irish citizen in three ways: by birth, by marriage or by naturalisation. The Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act 2004 (which came into force on 1 January 2005) removed the right of Irish citizenship by virtue of birth on the island of Ireland unless at least one parent was an Irish or British citizen or did not have any restriction on a right of residence in the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland. (There were some other instances when a child born on the island of Ireland could gain citizenship, but these are not directly relevant to this post). Irish Born Children and Non-National Parents post Citizenship Referendum With a citizenship lock now in place, there remained many Irish children whose parents were non-nationals and who did not have a settled immigration status within Ireland. The outcome of the referendum, however, did not result in all non-national parents in this position being deported with their Irish citizen child. The Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform introduced the IBC/05 scheme. 1. CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH Every person born on the island of Ireland before 1 January 2005 is entitled to be an Irish citizen. The citizenship entitlement of every person born on the island of Ireland on or after 1 January 2005 depends on the citizenship of the person’s parents at the time of the person’s birth. Since 1 January 2005, a child born to non-Irish national parents is only entitled to Irish citizenship if at least one parent has been legally resident in Ireland for a minimum of three out of the four years immediately preceding the child’s birth. So, been born in any EU country does not mean the child is automatically an European citizen, but depend on the Citizenship law of the European Country where the child is born. Simple as X Y Z.