Scotland and all its troubles, re devolution and Transfer of its seas around its Shores. 26.9.2011. Is it the United Kingdom’s Sea? Or, all as listed as ‘united’ in the UN under the 12 mile Limit? To be eventually transferred to the EU for its Motorway in the Sea? This is what it states on the site below: On the 23rd of March 1999 Scotland handed over jurisdiction of 6,000 square miles of North Sea to Westminster. The remarkable thing about this transaction is the fact that it occurred without the knowledge or consent of the people of Scotland. In fact it was a Labour government led by Tony Blair that ordered this bizarre act of treachery towards the people of Scotland and it was a senior Scottish Labour politician, Henry McLeish that sanctioned it. What is even worse is the fact that the whole affair was conducted in secret at committee level denying the House of Commons or the Scottish Parliament an opportunity to properly debate the issue. To their eternal shame Tam Dalyell (Labour), John McAllion (Scottish Labour) and Sir Robert Smith (Scottish Liberal Democrats) sat on this committee and allowed this act of treason to be carried out without authority from the Scottish electorate or the Scottish Parliament. More on: http://chicchater.co.uk/archives/1810 To amend the Scotland Act 1998 and make provision about the functions of the Scottish Ministers; and for connected purposes. Brought from the Commons on 22nd June 2011Debates in the UK Parliament re this Bill that is to give more powers to the Scottish Parliament. Debated here regarding the number of SNP’s in the UK parliament etc. To amend the Scotland Act 1998 and make provision about the functions of the Scottish Ministers; and for connected purposes. Each item voted upon separately etc. Brought from the Commons on 22nd June 2011 The Scotland Bill: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/2010-2012/0079/2012079.pdf The Scottish Parliament seems set for a showdown with the Scotland Office and Westminster after cross-party MSPs yesterday called for the return of 6000 square miles of Scottish fisheries handed over earlier this year to England. Holyrood's Tory-chaired rural affairs committee - where Labour is in the minority - produced a critical report on the fisheries boundary issue and recommended that Scottish Secretary Dr John Reid should have the controversial decision reversed by Westminster, as demanded by Scotland's fishing fleet. Only the Government in London has the power to change the boundary again. Labour's coalition partners in Scotland, the Liberal Democrats, abandoned the joint party line and voted with the SNP and Tories. By doing so they were adding force to moves in the Commons by Lib Dem MP Archy Kirkwood to have Westminster reinstate the old boundary. Scottish Executive spokesmen have argued since the change that technically there never was a boundary and that the decision to create one was purely for administrative reasons after devolution. The new fisheries boundary no longer bears resemblance to the boundary which delineates Scotland's territory in oil and gas fields as formalised in 1987More on :---http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/msps-call-for-6000-square-miles-of-fishing-waters-to-be-returned-to-scottish-jurisdiction-north-sea-showdown-looms-1.258234 Scotland is a NATION not a Region! (Then they should read this from their Parliament, European Committee,Tuesday Afternoon 22 May 2001 -- Ben Wallace (North-East Scotland) (Con): Manfred Dammeyer talked about constitutional regions. Will he define them? Ben Wallace: We are aware, especially within our regional devolved national Parliament, that we have different political agendas. My colleagues in the Scottish National Party would like to have greater influence above the national level and directly into Europe. As a member of a unionist party, I favour a different method. I was interested to know how constitutional regions fitted in at a national level and Mr Dammeyer has answered my question. Mr Dammeyer: (simultaneous interpretation) We have to respect that Scotland is a nation but, at the European level and in the European discussion, Scotland is like a region. Colin Campbell: In size, but not in spirit. End of quotes The above complete is here:- http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/historic/europe/or-01/eu01-0702.htm 1975 letter and alleged “Secret” article http://www.oilofscotland.org/mccronereport.pdf The debate re Coast Guards-Why do we need to update Coast Guards? http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm110315/debtext/110315-0002.htm column 208 The shocking thing about this secret order is that it was not openly discussed in the Commons, passed by the House of Lords and then passed by a very select Labour and Liberal committee in the Scottish Office. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/1126/introduction/made http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/1126/article/1/made Just change the /1/ to 2, the 3,the 4, then 5 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/1126/schedule/1/made If you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters you will not that many changes were made (See Falklands too) in 2009. A must read for interested Parties the UK’s Standard note. Here www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN05602.pdf The letter is of course dated 23 April 1975 all to do with the then The European Community, but what was the reason for the 1999 “grab”? From page 15 of the letter, but perhaps it is better to read in full. It should also be remembered that the Treaties are signed-without the people’s agreement-and ratified by the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. European Union today, UK Library Note. Just in case they have forgotten what they have done! http://www.parliament.uk/pagefiles/10493/LLN%202010-013%20EUTodayFP.pdf The REAL treachery and tragedy for the whole of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland stated in 1972. Anne ***************************************** AND THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION And now I have to ask, did The Queen sign this Document that changed the Borders between England and Scotland-thus ignoring the Treaty and Act of Union although that was not mentioned in the Government’s actions? If so, did she realise its Contents? That it was not debated openly in the House of Commons? Or was it actioned without Her Majesty’s Signature? 13th April 1999 Coming into force in accordance with article 1 At the Court at Windsor Castle, the 13th day of April 1999 Present, The Queen’s Most Excellent Majesty in Council Whereas a draft of this Order has been laid before, and approved by a resolution of, each House of Parliament in accordance with section 115(1) of, and paragraphs 1 and 2 of Schedule 7 to, the Scotland Act 1998(1); Now, therefore, Her Majesty, in exercise of the powers conferred upon Her by section 126(2) of the Scotland Act 1998 is pleased, by and with the advice of Her Privy Council, to order, and it is hereby ordered, as follows: 1. This Order may be cited as the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999 and shall come into force on the principal appointed day(2). 2. In this Order– “co-ordinate” means a co-ordinate on the Ordnance Survey of Great Britain 1936 Datum; “line”, in relation to any list of co-ordinates in this Order, means a loxodromic line. 3. For the purposes of the Scotland Act 1998, the boundaries between waters which are to be treated as internal waters or territorial sea of the United Kingdom adjacent to Scotland and those which are not, shall be– (a)off the east coast of Great Britain, a line joining the co-ordinates set out in Part I of the Schedule to this Order, and (b)off the west coast of Great Britain a line joining, (i)the co-ordinates set out in Section 1 of Part II of that Schedule, and then (ii)the seaward limit of the United Kingdom territorial sea, and then (iii)the co-ordinates set out in Section 2 of Part II of that Schedule. 4. For the purposes of the Scotland Act 1998, the boundaries between waters which are to be treated as sea within British fishery limits adjacent to Scotland and those which are not, shall be– (a)off the east coast of Great Britain, (i)the line referred to in article 3(a) above, and then (ii)a line joining the co-ordinates set out in Schedule 2 to this Order. (b)off the west coast of Great Britain, (i)the line referred to in article 3(b) above, and then (ii)the seaward limit of the United Kingdom territorial sea adjacent to Northern Ireland between the following co-ordinates– *************************** Article XXII repealed (5.11.1993 ARTICLE XXIII. This of course was to allow life Peers only in the Lords-so that Ministers could get any Legislation through the Lords any time they wanted-no matter if it destroyed this, their own Country as long as they fulfilled their life long dream of firstly, a fully federal one State of European Union. Then towards their New World Order? Yet so many young people died for what they thought and were told, was for their own Country’s freedom from foreign rule. Many people, women, children and yes, babies died through the bombing in the last war. Yet their was no thought that it was all for the dream of a New World Order. As I understand it, the change in the Boundaries should also have been debated fully and probably put to a referendum particularly for the Scottish people. This was a TREATY change for The Treaty of Union was indeed a Treaty that had lasted from 1707. Privileges of the Sixteen Peers of Scotland.F1. . . that all Peers of Scotland and their Successors to their Honours and Dignities shall from and after the Union be Peers of Great Britain and have rank and precedency next and immediately after the Peers of the like Orders and Degrees in England at the time of the Union and before all Peers of Great Britain of the like Orders and Degrees who may be created after the Union F2. . . and shall enjoy all privileges of Peers as fully as the Peers of England do now or as they or any other Peers of Great Britain may hereafter enjoy the same . This should have been put before the people in a referendum because it was and is a TREATY change. The Treaty was of course ratified-it states that quite clearly and was “for all time coming” There is a great deal of difference between a Hereditary Peer and a Life Peer. There must be, otherwise, why bother to change them? The Hereditary Peers could present themselves with letters patent and they have every right-unless the Treaty is no longer applicable-to be let in to take their places. If the Treaty has been breached already and particularly because of the recent changes made to the sea line borders, one has to ask whether the Treaty has already been breached? This below would also be affected. .Annotations: Help about Annotation Amendments (Textual)F1Words repealed by Peerage Act 1963 (c. 48), Sch. 2F2Words repealed by virtue of repeal of Criminal Justice Act 1948 (c. 58), Sch. 10 Pt. III of s. 4 of this Act so far as it ratifies those words) by 1993 (c. 50), s. 1(1), Sch. Seal kept in Great Seal; 1 Pt. XI Group2ARTICLE XXIV. Heraldry; Privy Seal, Scotland; &Regalia c. in Scotland; That from and after the Union there be one Great Seal for the United Kingdom of Great Britain which shall be different from the Great Seal now used in either Kingdom and that the Quartering the Arms and the rank and precedency of the Lyon King of Arms of the Kingdom of Scotland as may best suit the Union be left to Her Majesty And that in the mean time the Great Seal of England be used as the Great Seal of the United Kingdom and that the Great Seal of the United Kingdom be used for sealing Writts to elect and summon the Parliament of Great Britain and for sealing all Treaties with foreign Princes and States and all Publick Acts Instruments and Orders of State which concern the whole United Kingdom and in all other matters relating to England as the Great Seal of England is now used And that a Seal in Scotland after the Union be always kept and made use of in all things relating to private rights or Grants which have usually passed the Great Seal of Scotland and which only concern Offices Grants Commissions and private rights within that Kingdom and that until such Seal shall be appointed by Her Majesty the present Great Seal of Scotland shall be used for such purposes And that the Privy Seal Signet Casset Signet of the Justiciary Court Quarter Seal and Seals of Courts now used in Scotland be continued But that the said Seals be altered and adapted to the State of the Union as Her Majesty shall think fit And the said Seals and all of them and the Keepers of them shall be subject to such regulations as the Parliament of Great Britain shall hereafter make And that the Crown Scepter and Sword of State the Records of Parliament and all other Records Rolls and Registers whatsoever both publick and private general and particular and Warrants thereof continue to be kept as they are within that part of the United Kingdom now called Scotland and that they shall so remain in all time coming notwithstanding the Union. OR is it THIS one that the Queen attended? This is probably what she was there for-to sign THIS on Devolution http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/1127/made 1999 No. 1127 CONSTITUTIONAL LAW/ DEVOLUTION, SCOTLANDThe Scottish Administration (Offices) Order 1999 Made13th April 1999Laid before Parliament 23rd April 1999, Coming into force 6th May 1999 At the Court at Windsor Castle, the 13th day of April 1999. PRESENT,The Queen’s Most Excellent Majesty in Council. Details of the Scotland Act mentioned. Or this Too- INTERNATIONAL IMMUNITIES AND PRIVILEGES At Windsor Castle, the 13th day of April 1999 http://www.uklaws.org/statutory/instruments_21/doc21819.htm I do not know if there was any more. I do not know how many Treaties or Agreements were made that day. I was so sickened by all that I had read. Democratic Alliance. The National Borders of Scotland April 2011-this takes some time to unload perhaps because of the photographs and illustrations etc http://www.electricscotland.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=646&d. Quick View (That’s a joke eh? Look at the long address) http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9oeEBWFWmnAJ:www.electricscotland.org/attachment.php?attachmentid%3D646%26d%3D1304037275+Imposition+of+the+Scottish+Adjacent+Waters+Boundaries+Order+1999:&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjdeq74AtdcUjT_1iJFRM3_R_XkVESf2d-4umQpbBLQZIZqGziDQ_Hmlc29Us-GoD0TBSxx4oBkNiXV6ddDckvuFH9B8VO1a6l_xyz3ivbBrOSPmfpC0pbQ9Gtzn8i7jQmOW5A3&sig=AHIEtbSzmWk6KpA0quRlEfn0_4m6oT0JTQ&pli=1 Third Standing Committee on Delegated LegislationTuesday 23 March 1999
[Mr. Edward O'Hara in the Chair]
Draft Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999 But here= http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/1126/made
MSPs call for 6000 square miles of fishing waters to be returned to Scottish Murray Ritchie and Graeme Smith 10 Dec 1999
Conclusion:-This paper has shown that the advent of North Sea oil has completely overturned the traditional economic arguments used against Scottish nationalism. An independent Scotland could now expect to have massive surpluses both on its budget and on its balance of payments and with the proper husbanding of resources this situation could last for a very long time into the future.http://www.oilofscotland.org/mccronereport.pdf And this is why Scotland wishes to be independent from the UK. http://www.oilofscotland.org/scottish_politics.html#Scotlands_stolen_sea
Citation and commencement
Interpretation
Boundaries – internal waters and territorial sea
Boundaries – sea within British fishery limits
The International Mobile Satellite Organisation (Immunities and Privileges) Order 1999
Tuesday, 27 September 2011
Full transcript of fishing / oil debate 26 April 2000 after the secret order was passed without consultation) or read this pdf file on Scotland reduced fishing zone.
Why did the UK Government do this and why was it not debated in the House of Commons? Is it for the same reason I have put in the Title? The United Kingdom’s Sea. All as listed as ‘united’ in the UN under the 12 mile Limit, to be transferred eventually to the EU for its “Motorway in the Sea”? To make sure you realise this is not a fabrication of the truth, here you can access the “Official” Documents. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/1126/contents/made
I hope you have had time to look at some of the e-mails I sent to you yesterday.
If you read this article of the 23rd March 1999 as did I, I couldn’t help thinking that the words would suit those that took us in to the EU too. So I will try, by substituting the names etc for other names of our loyal British MP's, you know, the ones we trusted, here is how it reads now.:- Here as a reminder is that first paragraph, “On the 23rd of March 1999 Scotland handed over jurisdiction of 6,000 square miles of North Sea to Westminster. The remarkable thing about this transaction is the fact that it occurred without the knowledge or consent of the people of Scotland. In fact it was a Labour government led by Tony Blair that ordered this bizarre act of treachery towards the people of Scotland and it was a senior Scottish Labour politician, Henry McLeish that sanctioned it. What is even worse is the fact that the whole affair was conducted in secret at committee level denying the House of Commons or the Scottish Parliament an opportunity to properly debate the issue. To their eternal shame Tam Dalyell (Labour), John McAllion (Scottish Labour) and Sir Robert Smith (Scottish Liberal Democrats) sat on this committee and allowed this act of treason to be carried out without authority from the Scottish electorate or the Scottish Parliament.”
In the year 1972 the English Government headed by Edward Heath handed over jurisdiction of all the 94,248 square miles of the United Kingdom of Great Britain to the European Economic Community. The remarkable thing about this transaction is the fact that it occurred without the knowledge or consent of all the ordinary people of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. In fact it was a Conservative Government led by Edward Heath that ordered this bizarre act of treachery towards the people of Britain and it was The Queen of England that signed the papers that sanctioned it. Whether the Queen was told the same as the people, is not known. What is even worse is the fact that the whole affair was conducted with words to calm the people in that "There would be no loss of essential Sovereignty" and deliberately denying the British people to air their thoughts and feelings through a referendum on whether THEY wanted to join or not. Such was the deceit the people were not told the truth at that time. To their eternal shame and recorded in Hansard are the words-nay the lies told by those that were willing to give the governing of their own Country away to foreigners. Recorded also are the names of those that tried to save their Country from such foreign Rule. Those names (around August 1961) were Peter Shore, Mr Turton, Mr (Manny) Shinwell, Mr S Silverman, Mr Gaitskell, Sir Derek Walker-Smith, Mr Woodburn, Mr Blyton, Sir R Grimston, Mr Bellinger-so many, many names and even talk saying ...."we must recognise that for us to sign the Treaty of Rome would be to accept as the ultimate goal, political federation in Europe, including ourselves [Official Report. 12th February, 1959; Vol. 599, c, 1382] -also to harmonise our system of indirect taxation- I hope the Lord Privi Seal will tell us---whether our Health Service could survive financed as it is today.....Under article 169, if a Member State fails to comply with an obligation to alter its code of law, the Commission may refer the matter to the Court, and under Article 171; "If the Court of Justice finds that a Member State has failed to fulfil any of its obligations under the Treaty, such State shall take the measures required for the implementation for the Judgement of the Court" etc, etc.
To their eternal shame, all those in Government at that time, The Honourable, and especially the Right Honourable's were pleased and delighted to sign the Treaty of Rome and gleefully allowed this act of treason to be carried out without authority from any of the people they were supposed to serve. They ratified the Treaty knowing that it was contrary to their own Common Law Constitution and most certainly not in keeping with the Solemn Oaths of Allegiance all make to the British Crown and even before they may take their seats in that House of Commons even though people have elected them. They betrayed the people's trust in exactly as those in Parliament and particularly government, do "today".
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