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bj wrote:

Reading the Bible P, both of his sons were promised many descendants, that was both of them. 

The first born was to the handmaiden, and she seems to have been second classed for her child’s birthright. The law allowed for both sons to be equally treated.

I just feel if one goes along with the Zionist version of the truth all is well, question anything at all, and this is anti Semitic  which means both Jews and the Arabs surely.

It’s no problem at all to me, just a matter of what is written and what it really means.

B

response/s 

The lineage is from the mother - the mother was a servant and God declared the blessings this way:

Genesis 16

¹¹ And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.

¹² And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Genesis 17

¹⁶ And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

¹⁷ Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

¹⁸ And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

¹⁹ And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

²⁰ And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

²¹ But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

²² And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.

OK so Ishmael was blessed but the Covenant was with Isaac - 

UNTIL Christ came and the Old Covenant was not done away with but was complete - finished in Christ's final sacrifice and resurrection.

Hear:

1. Jeremiah 31:31
   Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
   Jeremiah 31:30-32 (in Context) Jeremiah 31 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2. Hebrews 8:8
   For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
   Hebrews 8:7-9 (in Context) Hebrews 8 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
3. Hebrews 8:13
   In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
   Hebrews 8:12-13 (in Context) Hebrews 8 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
4. Hebrews 12:24
   And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
   Hebrews 12:23-25 (in Context) Hebrews 12 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

Hebrews 9 does away with both the Temple and Sacrifices
Hebrews 10 does away with priests (so the current issues in the CofE are redundant)

Hebrews 11 indicates there is a greater place to go to - Verse 16 clearly does not refer to Israel or  Jerusalem.

⁹ By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

¹⁰ For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

¹¹ Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

¹² Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

¹³ These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

¹⁴ For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

¹⁵ And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

¹⁶ But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

¹⁷ By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

¹⁸ Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called

Hebrews12 confirms it

²² But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,


SO
Zionists and misguided Christians who believe Jesus is coming to reign on earth (presumably an unbelieving one as they also believe in a rapture never known in the Church until the 19th Century wherein all Christian believers would take God's elevator to Heaven) - also think modern day Israel has a Biblical mandate to occupy the land.  I believe it does not because it is clear that Jesus is not an earthly King and He stated the old Covenant is done away with - 
Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:30-32 (in Context) Jeremiah 31 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations Hebrews 8:8
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:7-9 (in Context) Hebrews 8 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:12-13 (in Context) Hebrews 8 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. 
And just as in the days of Jesus when the Zealots (Old Testament Zionists) wanted Him to be an earthly King and were angry that He was just some Holy Man and not someone who would come and remove the Roman occupier, so too the modern day Zionists think they have a Bible based mandate to the land of post 1948 Israel.  Well Israelis are not Israelites - the Covenant is to all men regardless of race, color, creed or religion - the Jews - especially the Messianic believing Jews - have a special place in the Kingdom for sure as they have the knowledge of the Old Covenant and the New one.  But they do not seek a home on earth any more than true Christians believe we are more than passing shadows here.

Israel has a political right to exist and I am sure God is using the cr4eation of the State of Israel in 1948 and on to show that He is still God.  The Jew haters are following the program of the Devil who tried to kill the bloodline of Christ from the murder of Abel right through to the massacre of the innocents under Herod.  Failing that he tried to kill Jesus who could not be killed for ever and so since then he has done his best to destroy any remaining trace of the Jews because the Jews are God's statement to the world that His Word is truth.   They are an inconvenience to the Devil and the BBC and every other pathogen which seeks to annihilate them and it is simply that the very existence of the Jew is proof of the Bible.

That is my take - I spent years trying to understand it and I am comfortable with the above - the Zionists simply want the material and miss the spiritual just as those who cried "Crucify Him!" did 2010 years ago or so.

The Jews lost the Land Promise and gained Heaven - but of course if they do not believe this then that is their choice - Heaven is there for anyone who hungers and thirsts after righteousness.

P

 BJ wrote:

 

Surely the Semitic peoples are Arabs as well as Jews?

It might have been better had the two founding brothers been chastised instead of warring over their birthright. Were the children of wives and handmaidens not treated equally under the law?

B

Nothing to do with the Law - the covenant was through Isaac not Ishmael.  You would have to take it up with God if that is a problem!  ;)

hh response

 

nope I do not  and will not explain  my views when responding to total sh-te lies-- I will not countenance antisemitic reports under the guise of anti israel sh-te.