Thursday, 13 November 2008


Pan-European referendum 'impossible,' expert says

Today @ 09:25 CET

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - "Recently I sat at a table with 20 top constitutional lawyers from different countries asking if a pan-European referendum was possible and the answer was 'no way,' because of all the different constitutional arrangements. It's more complicated than any other solution," Stefano Bartolini from the European University Institute in Florence said at a conference organised by the EU parliament ahead of the 2009 elections.


EU leaders signed the Lisbon treaty in December 2007, but the Irish No put a halt to the project (Photo: Portuguese EU Presidency)

Asked if this was the case with a non-binding referendum as well, he replied that this was the type of plebiscite he referred to, a binding one being "unthinkable."

The chairman of the recently registered Libertas party, Daclan Ganley, who was one of the Irish No-campaigners on the Lisbon treaty, has been advocating a pan-European referendum on the rejected document.

But the idea sparked some virulent remarks from British liberal MEP Andrew Duff.

"I think if you are seeking to destroy a parliament and political parties, then you resort to plebiscite. And you have populism, xenophobia, ultra-nationalism and racism."

He said he was in favour of holding referendums on "local matters," for instance on building a casino in a town, "but not on constitutional questions."

"It's insulting the intelligence of the people to ask them if they agree with this extraordinarily obscure text they are not going to read or understand. What do we have MPs for? Why do we pay their salaries?" he argued.

Another expert from the European University Institute, Mark Franklin, also said referendums were "extremely dangerous" because they could be misused by "unscrupulous politicians."

Mr Franklin, who studied voter behaviour during the past decades, said people use treaty referendums to express feelings on unconnected EU issues, such as immigration, where they normally have no say.

"It's really hard to control that you will actually get an answer on the specific question you're asking and not on something else," he said.

A Swiss citizen in the audience noted that in her country, people are very well informed when they go to a referendum and answer precisely on the particular matter they are being asked about, however.

Low turnout debates, a 'masochistic exercise'

With turnout in the European elections constantly decreasing in the past decades, debates in the parliament on this phenomenon were "a bit of a masochistic exercise," the legislature's vice-president Alejo Vidal-Quadras told the audience in his opening remarks.

"It seems to be one of the laws of nature now, that every time we have elections, we get fewer voters. We spend more and more money in trying to get people to vote, but in every European election we see the parliament acquiring less power from the ballot box," he said.

While to Mr Vidal-Quadras, the explanations of the low turnout were still a "mystery," in Mr Franklin's view, this phenomenon was easily explained by the fact that EU elections were not "real elections," where voters could influence policy making.

"Voters know perfectly well that they won't have any influence on EU policy making in the European elections, because the ultimate decision maker is the EU Council, not the parliament," Mr Franklin said.

"Give voters some real elections, then they will come to the ballot box."

Rise of fringe parties

The absence of strategic voting in EU elections - voting for big parties because they are likely to get power - should also lead to good scores for extreme parties, both on the right and the left side of the political spectrum, the Italian-based expert added.

To Mr Duff, a strong promoter of the Lisbon treaty, the rise in nationalism and even xenophobia and racism was all because of the rejection of the text.

With big parties reluctant to bring up EU topics such as the Lisbon treaty, since they were usually internally split on the issues, it was up to the "fringe parties" to talk openly about such things in the upcoming election campaign, Mr Duff explained.

This would only put more pressure on mainstream party discipline, which could ultimately fail to "suppress the quarrel about the federalist and nationalist wings," he said.

"It should be a fairly bloody campaign. And at least if it's exciting, it might induce a higher turnout," Mr Duff concluded.

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There are one or two choices the first one that MEP's, and from the comments here by Andrew Duff MEP, particularly he should perhaps listen to the people that actually DO go out and vote in certain referendums and elections.
 
We cannot have a 'pan-European' Referendum because we are still separate National States though no longer sovereign in many matters.   Choices, either go ahead with the DEAD (And it was as dead as the 'Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe' when two countries rejected THAT) Lisbon Treaty ratified by MP's that no longer speak for the people of their own Countries and risk civil unrest/disturbances especially in the times we are living through at present. 
 
Recognise that the people simply cannot pay for the extra Layers of Government that seems to be going ahead in the UK at present through the EU's Regional Assemblies, and without the general good wishes of the British people the Politicians have quite deliberately ignored.  The people may also come to realise that they cannot afford a Government (or governance) from the EU and pretend government from their own national Parliaments.
 
Without listening to the people, perhaps more people will turn out and vote for the EU Parliament elections than ever before and they may well use it as the referendum they all were denied and vote for what you may call Eurosceptic MEP's and which I would call in our Country Pro-British MEP's or those that are true to their loyalty and allegiance to their own Country.
 
There is also one more option the people might well turn to, but I will leave that for another day and see what happens as the days go by because quite simply, I do not believe many of you are interested in what the people you are supposed to serve 'THINK' at the moment.  There are some MEP's in the EU Parliament however that should prepare themselves for becoming unemployed after June 2009.  One thing you have all forgotten is that in a project such as the European Union, the EU and National Governments, do need the people behind them. The people hate being taken for fools or didn't you notice THAT either?!  
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